Pure Pve Ret Build

[Anduril]

It is 15% of base int which works out to approximately 1 more crusader stike.

Personally I think improved sacred shield is a much more viable option especially since every ret has 5 points in the prot tree already.

[Rephrezhmant]

Why don't ppl go holy for the increased spell crit chance and the aura mastery for the AW/Trink combo pop? Imo it's not our job to try and cover the tanks in a raid with defense moves and last minute saves from the prot tree

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...5&version=9767

[Ranishka]

Etonlor, your spec sucks dongleschnizzle..

Seriously, no points in Crusade? 1/3 Sheath of Light? JotW?
I just lol'd really hard tbh..
This is what I've come up with so far, but my main prio is PvP anyway:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...4&version=9767

[Ave07]

This is what im going with since ret has wy to many extra points to spend on what ever the hell you want. PvE that is.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...4&version=9767

[Kuthumii]

For one.. your raid won't need your extra protection, most cooldowns that people other than tanks have were already never used except on sarth 3d and even in that case, my raid had more than enough cooldowns to last through all flame breaths after two drakes were down in a rotation that would continue no matter how long it took the 3rd drake to die.

2ndly, sure you get hardly any int but its better than a pointless talent. and yes More mana = more abilities to use even if it is only 15% more mana.

For one: DG is extremely useful in Ulduar and that is the raid content right now.

Secondly: The amount of Int you gain for the talent points you spend is stupid. No, more mana doens't mean more abilities, your abilities have CDs and your mana regen out paces those CDs. I have ran into zero mana problems so having more mana would only mean I have a surplus that I have no use for, because I can't spam my DPS abilities due to them being on CD.

Thanks for proving once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Is DG 100% useful? No, but it is the best use of the trash points Blizzard stuck us with. Hell, any of the other Prot talents are worth more than the Holy talents.

[Kuthumii]

Why don't ppl go holy for the increased spell crit chance and the aura mastery for the AW/Trink combo pop? Imo it's not our job to try and cover the tanks in a raid with defense moves and last minute saves from the prot tree

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...5&version=9767

Because the amount of spell crit you gain is less than .1% at the cost of FIVE talent points. Aura Mastery to stack with AW/Trink combo? What do you think Aura Mastery does for you? It doesn't affect the talented attributes of your auras. Meaning it only doubles the armor it gives you (devo) doubles the resistance (fire/shadow/frost) or increases the damage it deals when you are hit (Ret). It doesn't give you more Haste and more +damage; those are talented.

Your opinion is crap. It is your job to help the raid. If the tanks need DG to survive a boss ability on hard mode, it is up to Ret or a Holy (sometimes both!) to ensure he lives via being Emo.

Your attitude proves you are not a competent raiding paladin, nor one that would be any good in a good raiding guild.

[dajuicedog]

For one: DG is extremely useful in Ulduar and that is the raid content right now.

Secondly: The amount of Int you gain for the talent points you spend is stupid. No, more mana doens't mean more abilities, your abilities have CDs and your mana regen out paces those CDs. I have ran into zero mana problems so having more mana would only mean I have a surplus that I have no use for, because I can't spam my DPS abilities due to them being on CD.

Thanks for proving once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Is DG 100% useful? No, but it is the best use of the trash points Blizzard stuck us with. Hell, any of the other Prot talents are worth more than the Holy talents.

Usin sacred shield is just more mana being used and more cooldowns being used. Who the hell used that crap before as ret? One of ur pallys should be judging light and if ur that serious about ur own health just toss a instant cast flash of light in the mix. shit if you got a couple dks in ur group you can almost stay alive without being healed. CoH priest for the over heal.

int may be only tiny tiny bit good but SS is completely useless.

also.. why bubble and waste time u could be dpsing..

[Anduril]

Please tell me exactly what dps you will be using by casting improved sacred shield on your self or someone else?

You honestly think that you won't have one free GCD in 60 seconds?

Aura mastery and divine intellect are not worth the 11 talent point investment. Furthermore holy tier 1, spiritual attunement and seals of the pure do not bring anything to the table that a ret pally would ever use in pve.

[Soad0488]

For now I am going with silly specs.


Truthfully if you get the core talents then what you do with the rest hardly matters.

That being said the first spec I have is 0/18/53.

With this build I get Divine Sacrifice ( not imp) and Imp devo aura ( or as i love to call it... SUPER AURA), situationally effective.

The first spec I have is 55 / 5 / 11

This spec gets me Aura Mastery and imp Might. For the first time in a long time.... there is no true coookie cutter spec and really getting the core talents is all that matters!

[Nookius]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...4&version=9767

i think im going with that when i get home. what do u think, im loh is very useful utility especially on new content keepin tanks alive.

[ScatteredBWL]

This is what I went with:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...5&version=9767

The Aura Mastery is nice in certain situations I think since we dont have to use ret aura for damage/haste increase anymore.

Oh and 40% Crusader Aura is win >=)

[Kuthumii]

Usin sacred shield is just more mana being used and more cooldowns being used. Who the hell used that crap before as ret? One of ur pallys should be judging light and if ur that serious about ur own health just toss a instant cast flash of light in the mix. shit if you got a couple dks in ur group you can almost stay alive without being healed. CoH priest for the over heal.

int may be only tiny tiny bit good but SS is completely useless.

also.. why bubble and waste time u could be dpsing..

I haven't had a problem with mana so using more isn't a concern of mine. No one used it before because it didn't scale. With that line of thinking I could ask why are you using DS? I mean no Ret used it before it was put in game so why are you using it now? O that is right, the game changed didn't it.

Its not that we are worried about our HP. Its that we have the ability and the ability to use said ability to HELP the healers and thus the raid.

I hope you aren't referring to SS as a bubble as it is instance cast and you aren't DPS'n when all your abilities are on CD and that is when you should be using SS.

If you are referring to using Bubble to protect yourself during DG then I point you to the fact that many many PTR testers said DG is extremely helpful on Hard modes.

But you wouldn't know about that.........you have demonstrated that you aren't even a decent raider or competent player.

[iktankniet]

SS is AWESOME. it absorbs SoB/JoB recoil dmg.

ive specced into divine sacrifice for 1min SS and its very good. absorbed 2k dmg every 6sec in raids is very nice. in the whole min it absorbed 20k dmg.

and mana isnt a problem for me even when i use SS.just pop DP and your good to go for a while.

[Kuthumii]

This is what I went with:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...5&version=9767

The Aura Mastery is nice in certain situations I think since we dont have to use ret aura for damage/haste increase anymore.

Oh and 40% Crusader Aura is win >=)

Failed to read the title of the thread, you did.

I can think of a few places 40% Sader would be great..........but not anything that is worth the talent points or that has to do with raiding or 5mans.

To each their own. Even if their skull is so thick they can't understand their line of thinking is faulty.

[darkfenix_rizen]

Running faster is a DPS talent. Don't ever doubt it.

The faster you get to your next target is the faster you get your attacks off.

[dahighpriest]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9868


Divine Sacrifice as an oh shi- button just in case to help mitigate some faulty pull damage. Yes, while running faster is a dps talent, it won't boost your dps by too much. Getting to the boss and the adds faster is nicer, and I won't disagree with you on that ^^.