My Prot Pally Spec

[Stdz]

What do you think good bad? My idea is im going for High threat and Probly some kinda AOE for adds... Im a mainly raid tank. Please give me any imput on what ya like dislike, one of the things im wondering about is do i truely need seal of command, but tell me overall feelings? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZE0xA0ugGsIufdEcNczm

Thats the old one here is the newer on im thinking about onyl thign i maybe can change is spirtual atunment to only 1/2

[Stdz]

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[Daez]

WAY TO MANY POINTS IN PROTECTION!!!!

Going over it...

1)Divinity is nice but not worth 5 points.
2)Reckoning is just crap (its not even worth getting).
3)I like stoicism for any boss or trash that stuns (although most call it a pvp talent).
4)Ardent Defender is a personal choice and I personally don't like it because it normally doesn't make a difference.
5)Judgments of the just is a crap talent. Let the warriors thunder clap to push back the melee attack speed of the boss if its really needed.
6) Benediction is a crap talent.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZihx...zxf0xbh:pcNczm

This is the tanking build that I will be using. It is very similar to the one I used in 3.0 with 2 points put into divinity that were previously in the old divine guardian and 2 points put into Spiritual Attunement that were previously in One-Handed Weapon Specialization.

[Purplecobra]

Personally i dont like your build but i guess its all about your play style. Havnt tried out the new stuff but ill be using this spec and then play around with it to see how i like it.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=&version=9767#

[Paladinrulz]

heres what i think would be best,

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...1&version=9767

This what the spec im going in.

But Daez, i dont think your talant points looking good.. IMO though.

[Daez]

Cobra that is a dead link. It links to nothing. To link to an mmo-c talent page you have to first click the link at the top of the page and then link the redirect.

[Kuismar]

(0/59/12) is what i'm looking at. threw 3 points into Stoicism, but could put them over in Seals of the Pure/Conviction. Judgement of the Just is also a flavor item, again they could probably go into Seals of the Pure/Conviction.

[Stdz]

WAY TO MANY POINTS IN PROTECTION!!!!

Going over it...

1)Divinity is nice but not worth 5 points.
2)Reckoning is just crap (its not even worth getting).
3)I like stoicism for any boss or trash that stuns (although most call it a pvp talent).
4)Ardent Defender is a personal choice and I personally don't like it because it normally doesn't make a difference.
5)Judgments of the just is a crap talent. Let the warriors thunder clap to push back the melee attack speed of the boss if its really needed.
6) Benediction is a crap talent.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZihx...zxf0xbh:pcNczm

This is the tanking build that I will be using. It is very similar to the one I used in 3.0 with 2 points put into divinity that were previously in the old divine guardian and 2 points put into Spiritual Attunement that were previously in One-Handed Weapon Specialization.

I can see now why people stay away from reckoning i liek the spec actully but i dont understand Pursuit of justice and divinty seems more to go with the whole theme of tankign doesnt? Enjoy the feed back thank you. Also i can see why you dont put into argnt health spikes way to much in raids and if your at 35% odds are 1 mroe hit and your gonna die or you need to be healed fast. beconing i can see why not in raids agian coupled with spirutal atunment im usally at full health if not then simply wisdm seal on 5 mans I would liek to see some more poins in divinty and improved judgment can you explaine why you have that?

[Daez]

But Daez, i dont think your talant points looking good.. IMO though.

The only differences we make is that you go after divine sacrifice/divine guardian which I think are crap talents after weighing them and ardent defender which I will never put in a build because I don't believe in my healers sucking so bad that it would be worth it.

Other than that, I pick up more crit at the cost of those two talents. The real result is that while you have talents I consider to be useless I have 6% more crit and 15% more damage to a spell that will now be spammed every cool down on every target we tank.

It comes down to personal opinion. I've been tanking all of Wrath so far with a similar build and I don't see either of us changing those opinions any time soon.

[Crazy]

im currently on a break from wow (exams) but i play prot pala and this is the build i will be using when i get back, assuimg that 3.1 is still the latest patch:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...6&version=9767

[Purplecobra]

Sorry bout the dead link, heres what i was talking about

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...6&version=9767

[Drianok]

Mine will be a slight moderation of my sucessful pre-3.1 build, but with the new toys.
<br /><br />Check it out <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sVZV0...cmz">here.</a>

My tps is more than enough, so I don't see the need of picking up all the extra crit I see in some builds, and I passed over devine plea to play with some 20sec stuns/interupts. Pre-3.1 my avoidence (with holy sheild active) unbuffed was 110%+ so, I dont realy feel the need for the extra 5% heals on me, but I have'nt tested anything, just going on past experience. We'll see how it goes. =)

[Stdz]

What do you think good bad? My idea is im going for High threat and Probly some kinda AOE for adds... Im a mainly raid tank. Please give me any imput on what ya like dislike, one of the things im wondering about is do i truely need seal of command, but tell me overall feelings? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZE0xA0ugGsIufdEcNczm

Thats the old one here is the newer on im thinking about onyl thign i maybe can change is spirtual atunment to only 1/2

Lol and this is a new one
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZE0xA0uMGoIufdxf0x0c

[Daez]

i dont understand Pursuit of justice and divinty seems more to go with the whole theme of tankign doesnt?

Pursuit of Justice is mostly there for the 15% speed increase. Blizzard likes to put movements into fights (get out of flame walls, get out of void zones) and I kind of like doing that 15% faster. Not to mention, when mob position is important I like moving the mob 15% faster. On top of that, some mobs move very slow so its not that difficult on some encounters to move faster than the mob while still tanking it and therefore avoid the vast majority of powerful hits (the boss that enrages in heroic old kingdom is a great example of this). Divinity is a powerful talent but that 5% is mostly going to do nothing more than increase over healing by powerful single target "tank" healers.

Enjoy the feed back thank you. Also i can see why you dont put into argnt health spikes way to much in raids and if your at 35% odds are 1 mroe hit and your gonna die or you need to be healed fast.

This is my personal view as both a healer and a tank. I never really let my tanks get to 35% as a healer. As a tank, I never really want to get to 35%. If I'm never reliably going down to 35% without getting capped off in the next 1-2 seconds then I consider the talent to be wasted. That is personally opinion and some people love ardent defender though.

beconing i can see why not in raids agian coupled with spirutal atunment im usally at full health if not then simply wisdm seal on 5 mans I would liek to see some more poins in divinty

Benediction is a wasted talent because you are getting plenty of mana back through healing (spiritual attunement even does help in heroics), divine plea (with guarded by the light) and blessing of sanctuary. Reducing the casts of your spells by 10% isn't needed.

and improved judgment can you explaine why you have that?

Two reasons...

Reason number one is because the best libram right now works by increasing your shield block rating every time you cast judgment so if you cast judgment every 8 seconds it is up longer. Reason number two is because it works better into a rotation if you bring it down to 8 seconds to match the cool downs on all of your other 8 second abilities. You should be judging every time it is off cool down.

[Kuismar]

After thinking about it and noting that I don't ever stun anything anyways I think I would go with (0/54/17). also added the glyphs (SoV, RD, DP, LoH, BoM, Wise).

[Purplecobra]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...6&version=9767
this is the new build im going to be using in raids for protection. my offspec is holy and is about equally geared with full 25 mans so ill have this as my holy spec
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...4&version=9767

[famous47]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sVZE0...fzxf00b:NGp0mc

[Kuismar]

Can't understand why so many tanks are putting points into the new talents Divine Sacrifice and Guardian. Those are the Healer filler talents in the Prot Tree IMO since they don't get kings out of it anymore. I'm usually MT so maybe thats just my opinion but I don't want to take up to 150% of my health as dmg during a boss fight because somebody takes some AOE dmg.

[Deleted]

Every time a prot pala takes the talent *reckoning* a small innocent bunny is killed.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZEhxAMuMGsIufdxfcNczm

Please remember that hammer of justice is a spell interupt. There have been 10 mans were we have had no class capable of interupting spell casts, this is to help in those situations. So having an interupt on 10 seconds CD is usefull.

[luthe]

Reason number two is because it works better into a rotation if you bring it down to 8 seconds to match the cool downs on all of your other 8 second abilities. You should be judging every time it is off cool down.

If you're using a proper 969 rotation for optimal threat, you only need 1/2 in improved judgement, adding a second point is just wasting a talent. The cooldown at 9 seconds makes it divisible by 1.5 (a gcd).