Is Ulduar25 easier than Ulduar10?

[cavinsoo]

Assuming your guild has 25 good players and are always available for either 10 or 25, which would be easier for Ulduar?

I have been running Ulduar10 and it seems to me that it's pretty difficult in the 10man version. Whenever a player dies be it a tank, heal or dps, we will certainly wipe. There isn't any room for mistake especially in a progression type of raid.

What do you think? I have a feeling that 25 is easier as we can tolerate a few deaths and still able to kill a boss.

[Azshira]

Well that's because in 25man you have alot more ways to prevent people dying and you most likely have access to a few combat resses etc maybe some soulstones, and generally more buffs, just because 1 or 2, lets say healers die, you maybe not suffer so much as you would in 10man because you still would have 5 others healing stuff while in 10man you might only have 1 to do the rest. Ah you see my point. But 10man progression should be a step up from your naxx10man, it should be difficult but overly not WAY too difficult. Players in 25man gear may disagree due to they are equipped in better gear than a 10man only raid guild should be.

[Soad0488]

No the 25 man is harder then the 10 man.

[UnionFTW]

Assuming your guild has 25 good players and are always available for either 10 or 25, which would be easier for Ulduar?

I have been running Ulduar10 and it seems to me that it's pretty difficult in the 10man version. Whenever a player dies be it a tank, heal or dps, we will certainly wipe. There isn't any room for mistake especially in a progression type of raid.

What do you think? I have a feeling that 25 is easier as we can tolerate a few deaths and still able to kill a boss.

10man is alot easier, my guild has downed 9 bosses in 10man but only 5 in 25man. I've found some of the bosses to be alot easier.
But it all depends on the players you take tbh, We' hoping to get to Yogg tomorrow when we continue. Finally it seems like they've catered 10mans for "casuals" and 25man for the better guilds.

[Woozz]

We managed to kill a lot of boss in a really short amount of time in the 10 mans version, but we had did them in 25 mans.

But yes, like in the previous tier of content, it's less forgiving when someone die in Ulduar 10. (But a death dps or healer can make a difference too in Ulduar 25.)

[Varithorn1]

No the 25 man is harder then the 10 man.

Truth. Example: My guild did the Deconstructor on 10 man, and killed him without touching the heart. On 25 man, that most likely wouldn't be possible.

[Joá]

Ulduar 25 man is no FREE loot like Naxx 25 All raid members must focus unlike naxx would luv to see any pug kill any boss after the 1st boss!!!

[fl4shi]

Truth. Example: My guild did the Deconstructor on 10 man, and killed him without touching the heart. On 25 man, that most likely wouldn't be possible.

wasnt "touching" the heart the hard mode (archievment)?

so killing him in hard mode is easier on 25man or rather the only possible way?

thats screwed up

i guarantee you at least 2 bosses are pug able or rather.. "doing while sleeping"-able bring whatever is online

(razorscale being the 2nd)

[UnionFTW]

wasnt "touching" the heart the hard mode?

so killing him in hard mode is easier on 25man or rather the only possible way?

thats screwed up

DESTROYING the heart actives hard mode, touching it is pretty much needed for a kill on 25man.

The 25man heart has 7.5m(well, effectively 3.75m 'cause it takes 100% more damage) and is exposed for ~20 seconds. You need a hell of alot of DPS to destroy it to activate the hard mode, let alone kill him on hard mode!

[scett]

wasnt "touching" the heart the hard mode?

so killing him in hard mode is easier on 25man or rather the only possible way?

thats screwed up

youll need to read back on those tactics.
the heart comes out every 25% of the boss his HP.
it can be damaged and be destroyed. however if you choose to damage it alot, but not destroy it, then when it goes back into the boss he takes a huge amount of damage.
you can pretty much bring him from 75% to 55% or even lower just by damaging his heart.
this means only 5% needed for him to drop his heart again.

and it gets better. every time he drops his heart it has 100% of its HP back.
so its basicly take 25% of his life. "almost" kill the heart.
kill the adds he spawns. and repeat.

you have to kill the heart compleetly during 1 of his rest phases to activate the hard mode.

[fl4shi]

lol
so we actually did something like a hard"er" mode

we never attacked the heart we only attacked the boss :x

and we never read any tactics :>
thats prolly why we failed at ignis (well only tried ~4times)

btw watched some vids afterwards.. the tactic used in those videos doesnt seem to work anymore..

how did you kill him? (10man ofc)

[Taun]

I hate to tell you this but we faaaaailed on razorscale. We had a couple of tries and it went smoother and smoother till the 2 last tries. Every wave spawned one of the big whirwhind guys and we got 2x the normal spawns. The same for the next attempt. Dunno if we triggered some wierd hardmode or something.


But yeah Good for you guys.. We're struggling with 10 man >.<

[Sanguissa]

We downed deconstructor without any known tactics on 2 pull. On first try we wiped on 1%, same as on leviathan hege.

10man ofc.

[tehmark]

I really think ulduar 10 should be toned down quite a bit. I've been part of our guild's "wipe and learn" group for 10's. We all have 25man naxx gear and we are getting rocked a lot easier than we imagined.

What I'm really saying is that I can't imagine a guild geared in naxx 10 gear would have much luck at all in this place. As far as I understood blizz's intentions, a small guild could progress through content solely by doing 10 man content. That doesn't really seem to be the case. Its just really odd to me that you'd need 25 man gear to do a 10 man. Anybody kinda feeling that?

[Sabbie]

I found 10 man to be A LOT easier than 25 man.

[Wigglytuff]

We all have 25man naxx gear and we are getting rocked a lot easier than we imagined.

Unfortunately, Blizzard made it very easy for most players to obtain 25 man gear from Naxx. Just because a player has the gear doesn't mean they have the know-how to accompany it. I'm not suggesting you are a bad player, but in Naxx there was plenty of room to carry along bad players with a few great members picking up their slack. Ulduar is not created this way, and you may have to tell some of your guild members to shape up or ship out.

[frester]

Unfortunately, Blizzard made it very easy for most players to obtain 25 man gear from Naxx. Just because a player has the gear doesn't mean they have the know-how to accompany it. I'm not suggesting you are a bad player, but in Naxx there was plenty of room to carry along bad players with a few great members picking up their slack. Ulduar is not created this way, and you may have to tell some of your guild members to shape up or ship out.

this is true, i'am in small 10 man guid i play sometimes 10h sometimes 3h per week, and almost all my gear is from 10man naxx/hcs i've been on quite few naxx25 pugs and almost constantly in top3 dps as fg/emb lock coming in fromnt of naxx 25 geared ppls and that is not right.

but most of naxx25 wants eaey loot and nothing more eg. one wipe on 4h half of raid leaves and scrubs doing 2.5k dps says lolwipe:/

[HellBurn]

My guild has raided aprox the same amount of time on 10 and 25. Granted the 10man group is quite optimized, the 25man isn't doing bad either.
here's our progression:
10man : 6bosses down
25man : 3bosses down (lol we thought we should dps deconstructor's heart...)

Even blizzard stated that 25man ulduar > 10man, and that to reach the end of ulduar it's preferable to have uldaur 10 gear already (or a very optimized pre 3.1 gear, hence naxx 25 maly 25 sarth 3D etc..).

[Daedalon]

I think ppl are forgetting one thing.

10 man is supposed to be done with tier.10 gear.
25 man is supposed to be done with tier.25 gear.

So basicly if 10 mans is easier now for ppl in 25 man tier gear... OFC is it. It should be like that.

Try it in the gear the instance was designed for and you will probably find it is harder than 25 man content. 10 ppl in "casual" gear will need alot more skill than 25 mans cause there is less margin for error.

Blizzard got current raiding system all wrong. They will never admit it but its for all to see.

[fl4shi]

I hate to tell you this but we faaaaailed on razorscale. We had a couple of tries and it went smoother and smoother till the 2 last tries. Every wave spawned one of the big whirwhind guys and we got 2x the normal spawns. The same for the next attempt. Dunno if we triggered some wierd hardmode or something.


But yeah Good for you guys.. We're struggling with 10 man >.<

well no idea how hard he can get
we accidently downed him with archievment first try (we werent trying to and didnt know it existed (the archievment))

and btw our guild hasnt done 25man yet im talking all about 10man