Grim Toll

[Imbashiethz]

I just did some heroic dummy slappin and I did 200-300 dps more by using Grim Toll then by using Mirror of Truth!
Can anyone explain me why? I am poison hit capped, 4K ub AP, 36.50% crit and exp capped, my secondary trinket is Darkmoon Greatness.

[smartAXE]

cause 50% ArP>1000 ap

[Imbashiethz]

cause 50% ArP>1000 ap

If its better, why do people keep saying Mirror of Truth is better?

[ant1pathy]

Because ArP got buffed in 3.1. They used to be about the same, now GT is way better.

[Imbashiethz]

Because ArP got buffed in 3.1. They used to be about the same, now GT is way better.

Is this comfirmed in any way? Is Grim Toll truly better then Mirror of Truth?

[smartAXE]

the hit you gain can also be part of it, more procs, more white hits, more energy(dont know much about rogues just throwin stuff out there)
i know on my war GT is up like 75% of the time im dpsing, unless i die -_-
im not some forum cruiser or "elitest" so thats about as much as i can say with my knowledge

[Soulfighter]

Is this comfirmed in any way? Is Grim Toll truly better then Mirror of Truth?

SP-PvE-Trinket

[Voij]

Because ArP got buffed in 3.1. They used to be about the same, now GT is way better.

What he said, GT was a little better than MoT as Combat Pre-3.1, though that depended on your Hit. [If you had too much hit, then MoT might have been better.] As Muti MoT was definitely the better choice.

In 3.1 ArP got better, thus making GT way better than MoT. (And tbh, it's also 213 vs. 200, so there's obviously a reason why GT is better... Not counting DCG:G's itemlevel though.)

[naninja]

(And tbh, it's also 213 vs. 200, so there's obviously a reason why GT is better... Not counting DCG:G's itemlevel though.)

Ok

Im not trolling but tbh this is the kind of remarks that really annoy me cause when im lootmaster i see ppl rolling for item just cause it has a higher item lvl. The item lvl is also based on the fact for wich class/classes the item is designed so has best use. An item 213 can be listed 5 th best for me while a hunter has it on top of his list.

[Voij]

Ok

Im not trolling but tbh this is the kind of remarks that really annoy me cause when im lootmaster i see ppl rolling for item just cause it has a higher item lvl. The item lvl is also based on the fact for wich class/classes the item is designed so has best use. An item 213 can be listed 5 th best for me while a hunter has it on top of his list.

Yeah, though I didn't state that you should choose an item according to it's Itemlevel, I only used this remark to show that there's a reason why GT should be better than MoT.
Well now, I even went ahead and brought up the Darkmoon Card, which is still the bis Trinket for almost every Melee/physical DPS class.

[Imbashiethz]

How about Fury of the Five Flights? How does it compare to Grim Toll?

[bbr]

How about Fury of the Five Flights? How does it compare to Grim Toll?

Use both? :P

[Imbashiethz]

Use both? :P

Darkmoon of Greatness?

[elapadrinar]

Is this comfirmed in any way? Is Grim Toll truly better then Mirror of Truth?

It always was.
In fact, Grim Toll > Greatness Card with the right gear set.

[Voij]

Also, can anyone explain why ArPen is so much more useful to combat rogues? Is it because eviscerate doesnt ignore armor like envenom does?

Because Combat has a higher percentage of it's total damage being lowered by Armor.

Wound+Deadly+Rupture is a total of roughly 25-30% of your damage, whereas IP, DP, Envenom and Rupture make up about 40% or more of a Mutilate-Rogues damage.

[Brytallica]

http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-p...updated_3_1_a/

In general

Trinkets

Trinket Combat EP Mutilate EP
[Darkmoon Card: Greatness] 363 368
[Pyrite Infuser] 337 331
[Wrathstone] 308 313
[Grim Toll] 362 301
[Fury of the Five Flights] 320 320
[Mirror of Truth] 304 308

Otherwise, use a spreadsheet.
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t39136-c...updated_3_1_a/
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t51449-r...n_spreadsheet/

[elapadrinar]

http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-p...updated_3_1_a/

In general

Trinkets

Trinket Combat EP Mutilate EP
[Darkmoon Card: Greatness] 363 368
[Pyrite Infuser] 337 331
[Wrathstone] 308 313
[Grim Toll] 362 301
[Fury of the Five Flights] 320 320
[Mirror of Truth] 304 308

Otherwise, use a spreadsheet.
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t39136-c...updated_3_1_a/
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t51449-r...n_spreadsheet/

Out of stuff that has been released so far:
Mjohnir Runestone > all, for combat 102crit(iirc) + 665arp proc drops off 10man thorim hard mode(iirc)