Dodge and Defense

[superbotje]

Allright, just getting more confused now.

All guides, forums etc. say .. stack defense to 540, then go to other stats.

Allright, i always did that.

Few days ago i got some new items and had to regem to get to 540 again. I discovered the following and tested it out after that to be sure.
I replaced a +16def gem with a +8dodge/+12 stam one. Stayed @540.
So to test that out i replaced another +16def with a +8dodge/+12stam. Guess what? I was once again @540def.

So what did it get me after gear upgrade and regemming? A lot more avoidance with the same amount of defense and a lot more HP.

So.. is it true that 8 dodge is the same as 16 defense? If so, why is it never mentioned in any guide?

[archform]

....
.....i need to try to say something
*no dodge rating doesnt make def rating
and i think you made some mistake somewhere or your just joking

[iktankniet]

socket bonus?

[Leipäkone]

you made a mistake or you want to troll

[Ironfoot]

Dodge does not equal Defense. Only Defense Rating increases Defense.

Your Def Rating will however increase your Dodge.

You mus have activated a socket bonus or you're just wrong.

[superbotje]

Dodge does not equal Defense. Only Defense Rating increases Defense.

Your Def Rating will however increase your Dodge.

You mus have activated a socket bonus or you're just wrong.

Maybe ... i'll just check it out again tonight, have another 2 +16defs and those items have stam and block as socketbonusses.

[domzae]

I'm inclined to think that you activated a socket bonus with the first regem, and then activated a meta gem with the next one (+21 defense rating).

So assuming you were at the high end of 540 defense, you dropped 16 defense rating(-16) but gained say 5 defense rating from a socket bonus(-11), then dropped another 16 (-27), and then gained 21 from the meta (-6). so you may have dropped 6 defense rating, but I wouldn't be suprised if your actual defense remained the same.

[Copain]

Sometimes weird things can happen.

One time I was at 544 Def and replaced a ring I had on (no sockets) with one that had lower Def rating (Still no sockets) and my def went to 546..

[Saurus]

you dont need to be defense capped - just spec into eye4eye in ret and ull be fine

[Copain]

you dont need to be defense capped - just spec into eye4eye in ret and ull be fine

Please tell me this is a troll.

I get hit by some Ulduar (TEN MAN) bosses for 18K, if that was a crit I'd be destroyed.
If I'm tanking someone who attacks fast like Ignus, then I'd get owned in just a few secs >_>.

[superbotje]

Please tell me this is a troll.

I get hit by some Ulduar (TEN MAN) bosses for 18K, if that was a crit I'd be destroyed.
If I'm tanking someone who attacks fast like Ignus, then I'd get owned in just a few secs >_>.

How about those "mini-bosses" @ Freya. Had to taunt it off the maintank and got hit for 31k .. OUCH. (also 10man)

[iktankniet]

Please tell me this is a troll.

I get hit by some Ulduar (TEN MAN) bosses for 18K, if that was a crit I'd be destroyed.
If I'm tanking someone who attacks fast like Ignus, then I'd get owned in just a few secs >_>.

you should check the posts he makes

[Martini]

Allright, just getting more confused now.

All guides, forums etc. say .. stack defense to 540, then go to other stats.

Allright, i always did that.

Few days ago i got some new items and had to regem to get to 540 again. I discovered the following and tested it out after that to be sure.
I replaced a +16def gem with a +8dodge/+12 stam one. Stayed @540.
So to test that out i replaced another +16def with a +8dodge/+12stam. Guess what? I was once again @540def.

So what did it get me after gear upgrade and regemming? A lot more avoidance with the same amount of defense and a lot more HP.

So.. is it true that 8 dodge is the same as 16 defense? If so, why is it never mentioned in any guide?

Mind linking your armoy and letting us know which gems you replaced in what gear. We'd be able to help you out a ton more I'm sure

Edit: some of us will be able to help you, still need that armory link and explaination of which gems in which pieces were changed

[wyrdone]

There is also a bug where your character screen will not update it's status till you relog.

[Raledon]

First, as people have said, chances are you were wrong about the def. Please check again.
Second, if you are a warrior or none-crushimmune pala, def gives more mitigation than avoidance (DR distributed on more stats, block chance).
3rd, you can survive a crit in ulduar (on certain bosses). i (almost) survived 2 crits in an unlucky chain hits from thorim (-200 def, before you start flaming. Also, he had 14 buffs on him or so, 25man version).
4th, at the freya miniboss, when he gets the buff the tank should run for his life to kite it.

[Draco cracona]

Second, if you are a warrior or none-crushimmune pala, def gives more mitigation than avoidance (DR distributed on more stats, block chance).

Def is worse than dodge generally (talking pure avoidance only here), due to how much closer to the hard caps on miss and parry you will be.