Spirit for Moonkins (yay again!)

[qae]

It just occured to me than

Warlocks have 30% of Spirit converted to Spell power +20% through Glyph
(Fel armor + Lifetap Glyph) = 50%

Mage have 25% of Spirit converted to Crit +20% through Glyph
(Molten armor + Molten armor Glyph) = 45%

And I guess that as soon as you get to use ~50% of your Spirit it's not that bad..

Now Moonkin will have 30% of Spirit converted to Spell power! (up from 15%)

I think we still need another option to get 15-20% more use from it.

Maybe a glyph of Fearie Fire? +15-20% of Spirit as Crit/haste on target afflicted by FF? or even Spell power?
Or maybe build in the talent Imp. FF?

There are a lot a way to make it possible.. they could even build spirit in Eclipse bonuses.


The fact remain.. I don't think that spirit is strong enough if we only get to use 30% of it.. especially when it's stacked on all the gear we are "supposed" to wear.

[Varithorn1]

Let the owls wear cloth gear. I want all the leather for my resto dr00d.

Cuz leather with spirit and hit is for trees amirite?

[Pheonixis]

Shadow priests get 10% of our spirit as spellpower. Do we complain? No.

[samladin]

Cuz leather with spirit and hit is for trees amirite?

Link me ONE, just ONE lvl 80 leather gear with hit on it. Tier gear doesnt count in. Do it for me, please.

[Quazier]

Link me ONE, just ONE lvl 80 leather gear with hit on it. Tier gear doesnt count in. Do it for me, please.

I guess you dont want me to link the melee stuff?

[Ascendant]

Link me ONE, just ONE lvl 80 leather gear with hit on it. Tier gear doesnt count in. Do it for me, please.

http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&fi...rs=1:1;crv=0:0
I must say that I am surprised how incredibly poor thou itemization is, Druid.

[Catta]

It just occured to me than

Warlocks have 30% of Spirit converted to Spell power +20% through Glyph
(Fel armor + Lifetap Glyph) = 50%

Mage have 25% of Spirit converted to Crit +20% through Glyph
(Molten armor + Molten armor Glyph) = 45%

And I guess that as soon as you get to use ~50% of your Spirit it's not that bad..

Now Moonkin will have 30% of Spirit converted to Spell power! (up from 15%)

I think we still need another option to get 15-20% more use from it.

Maybe a glyph of Fearie Fire? +15-20% of Spirit as Crit/haste on target afflicted by FF? or even Spell power?
Or maybe build in the talent Imp. FF?

There are a lot a way to make it possible.. they could even build spirit in Eclipse bonuses.


The fact remain.. I don't think that spirit is strong enough if we only get to use 30% of it.. especially when it's stacked on all the gear we are "supposed" to wear.

ur point is...?

the main reason we wear spirit is mana regen... the other thing is just a side bonus ontop of the spiritmanaregenstacking! that is also why innervate works on both resto and balance druids but not a resto shaman...

[Arkive]

Now Moonkin will have 30% of Spirit converted to Spell power! (up from 15%)

I think we still need another option to get 15-20% more use from it.

My mage can only cast evocate on himself. He should be able to cast it on anyone, just like innervate, right? See, just because one class has an ability or mechanic that's similar to another's doesn't mean they have to be the same. Balance is done across the entire class, not with every ability/talent/etc.

[Deleted]

ur point is...?

the main reason we wear spirit is mana regen... the other thing is just a side bonus ontop of the spiritmanaregenstacking! that is also why innervate works on both resto and balance druids but not a resto shaman...

To be honest, something does need to be done that is more than "30% of spirit is spell power" since the mechanics for Innervate are also being changed at the same time to make it a viable return of mana to any class that needs it.

[qae]

my point is :

we are forced to use more spirit than any other dps class/spec because of itemization.

And there are 4 dps class/spec that get a "benefit" from spirit.

Mage - Demo - Sp - Moonkin

Mage : 45%
Demo : 50%
Sp : 22%~ (with improved Spirit tap)
Moonkin : 30%

Ok we get more use of spirit than Shadowpriests.. but we are the only class/spec among these 4 that is supposed to wear (very) badly itemized leather

[Spiritus]

Personally, I think were looking at this situation a little too differently. Like Medium9 said, it's not so much that were not balanced with other classes, as much as it's our itemization. Don't be naive and think that, because we simply don't benefit from spirit enough, we are at a disadvantage. Comparing abilities and itemization cross-classes gets really complex in nature while talked about, surprisingly, as if it were a simple game attribute. If I had to pick my Blizzards bone about one or two key things, it most certainly would not be Spirit's effectiveness on my DPS.

Now, that being said, there are some rumors out there that Blizzard might eventually define gear priority by classes specifically, not by a waterfall system. The lack of bonus to spirit we see might be a way to compensate for spirit heavy gear in the future ... but thoughts like this I purge from my mind!

[SoulPoetry]

i put this forward to my guild just after Ulduar came out. they spent a week deciding that i couldn't roll on cloth and my thread generated drama. combined with other threads at the time, the GMs decided to disband the guild because "it wasn't what it was." i'm now feral.

thanks blizz, for killing my caster and in part, for killing my guild.

signed,
- sad moonkin

edit: to be constructive and not just rant, i think blizz needs to reconsider itemisation for moonkins or change the armor proficiency in some way so we don't have all these clothies going "i only have 1 type of armor to roll on qq" when cloth is clearly a huge upgrade over any ulduar leather available to use (excluding tier).

[Dokoran]

And before any dumbassish bullshit is posted about that there was no need for having the same benefits and all: I agree! The actual problem IS NOT our spirit converter, it is our piss poor itemization which - in contrast to most cloth - is fucking LOADED with useless spirit we don't even need for manareg. It would be a 100% waste of points if it wasn't for the conversion, in any given circumstance. There is NO benefit AT ALL other than that, and yet caster leather since Ulduar only comes in fashion of heal gear with spirit like crazy. Go, compare random leather and random cloth. Just do it, and then come back saying our demands aren't justifyed. Please.

Any boomkin should know this by now, even resto druids.

With a little bit of research you find out that the LARGE majority of BiS gear for boomkin is cloth. The only real exceptions being Tier gear and that's just for the set bonuses, the gear itself is pretty blah.

Part of me is annoyed at the piss poor itemization for druids in general [feral being the closest to being done right, even that needs some work] the other part of me is saying there is NO REASON a resto or balance druid should not be able to roll on cloth, yeah it sucks for other cloth wearers that a leather wearer want to roll on a cloth piece because it's BiS for them, but don't blame the druid, blame Blizzards failure to itemize correctly for druids in general.

Look at the top guilds balance and resto druids, you'll see them wearing 2 or 4 pieces of tier gear, the rest of it will be cloth, guaranteed.

[Eilt]

Unless they are not allowed to wear cloth....like me...

[Mookins]

if your guild doesn't allow you to bid on cloth, why dont you put together a best in slot list on your guild forums.

make one only leather best in slots.

then make another one with cloth and leather best in slots.

give your reasons why the cloth piece is better than any leather piece in the game. dont just say it has more stats. say WHY it's better.

if they still wont let you roll on best in slot cloth, then gquit. because either they dont care about you, or they have a mage/priest/warlock who's an officer that's doesn't want you rolling on gear they consider "theirs"

[Eilt]

I have been arguing for equal caster rights on gear for a long time, but it all boils down to one thing. What is better for the raid?

If I wear a 2nd BiS item that is leather, raid DPS does up. Then when the cloth drops the cloth caster gets it and raid DPS goes up again.

If I take the cloth BiS raid DPS goes up, then the leather item that was second BiS drops and it is sharded.

So, I do not like the fact that I am not allowed to bid on cloth, but I really can see the validity in the argument.

However I have already pursued the creating a BiS wish list and I get to send it off to the officers who may/may not approve me equal bidding rights on certain items...it is still weak...but it is better than nothing.

[Khad]

Got bored of this whole cloth/leather shadam and desided to not wear other than "no one else needed it" cloth. Am basing my gearing around leather. Shure, im not performing to my fullest, i really dont care. Luckily our guild is run by the most pro leaders i have met in this game so far. I have allways had the promise to bid on cloth, and they fully understand Balance druids broblems with current itemisation. Lucky me. Came to this conclusion partially cause we only have 2 balance druid on raid rooster and the other one is really in active. So if anything drops i only have to compete with 2 resto druids for the drops... if at all.

Lets see how far i fall behind when our clothies start getting their (mine too) BiS gear on.

Now i just need a bit of luck with a trinket drop, need to find some one cabable doing a belt for me and start saving for the T8.25 pants and mittens. Besides, leather feels good on your skin :P

Khad

Oh. One vote for less spirit on our gear.

[Belegonfax]

Unless they are not allowed to wear cloth....like me...

i highly doubt your raid leaders say "OMG you have a CLOTH chestpiece on?!? get out of my raid!"

[mutantboy]

Interesting discussion. total BS mind you.

After taking your set items & filling some spots with badge items you are going to be left with about 5% headroom between what you have and total BiS. (taking weaps/trinks/rings/neck out of the equation - they are competitive between every caster) I mean we are talking 3 items or something.

If you are worrying about your personal DPS to that extent your concerns are less about your raid and it's ability to down bosses and more about your own epeen. Get over yourself.

[YigiBareTank]

Interesting discussion. total BS mind you.

After taking your set items & filling some spots with badge items you are going to be left with about 5% headroom between what you have and total BiS. (taking weaps/trinks/rings/neck out of the equation - they are competitive between every caster) I mean we are talking 3 items or something.

If you are worrying about your personal DPS to that extent your concerns are less about your raid and it's ability to down bosses and more about your own epeen. Get over yourself.

And when mages, locks, and priests fill their spots with item sets and badge items they are left with?
0% headroom.
The point isn't that balance is completely gimp without wearing cloth, the point is that alot of balance BiS gear IS cloth, whether it's a 5% dps increase or a 50% increase, it's still the difference betwen BiS and 2nd BiS.