Unwarrented Engi Nerf :(

[Wartide]

I leveled it to 405 just as the goggle nerf came out.

Now this. T_T


http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9660/engilol.jpg

I made this when goggles got nerfed.


I looked at it again today.

[slrockin04]

> wtf nerf? what was the nerf? i just made my tanking, dps, and healing goggles last night!

[K4ge]

So it's okay for us to have to reroll leatherworking just to clear sunwell, it's okay to have retardedly unbalanced racials, but NO engineering in pvp HAS to be useless... I think I'm going to drop it soon and go bs/JC

[Wartide]

Rocket boots removed from arena use :\

funny thing is, I was JC/BS but we needed the engi for the advantage in 2's, so after defending BS for a whole season I gave in and leveled engi over night dropped like 3k for it log on the next day and goggles got nerfed.

Fuck.

At least I have gloves and boots....

at least I have gloves... for now I guess.


I wonder what the "new effect" will be?

Most likely gonna be useless, applying a snare would immidiately counter rocket boots, but I guess that was OP.

[padz]

meh time to lvl BS on my priest then =/

[Artaioz]

> wtf nerf? what was the nerf? i just made my tanking, dps, and healing goggles last night!

They've removed Increased Stealth Detection from all Goggles:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...enas&n=Apollux

[rarwzs]

same here, did start to lv engi up like 2 weeks ago both me and my 2v2 partner and spended around 2k gold on it.............. my rogue still use the gloves enchant but still.. I dont have any use at all from engi now..thanks alot blizz for wasting my time </3

[Prm]

All this because of stupid arenas. Just remove them from game and make rated bgs instead.

[Mysmere]

All this because of stupid arenas. Just remove them from game and make rated bgs instead.

lawl

[gibborim]

I leveled it to 405 just as the goggle nerf came out.

Now this. T_T


http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9660/engilol.jpg

I made this when goggles got nerfed.


I looked at it again today.

A serious /b/tard I see.

[Cyrant]

I'm just glad I didn't actually bother leveling engineering now.

[Sage Faux]

You guys who posted about recently leveling engineering only to have it nerfed, are MAKING BLIZZARDS POINT. Leveling engineering soley for the arena benifit is why they nerfed it into the ground , they didnt want people to feel the HAD to level engineering to be competitive (theyre real problem is that class balance is still in the toliet and something as small as a 2sec speed burst breaks arenas in their eyes). That being said this is still a ridiculus thing to do. Engineering is the only profession that is any fun, and they just took that fun away. I personally get it so that my toons without levitate or slowfall have a way to slowfall (i love cliff diving), but these nerfs should just stop beating around the bush and remove engineering entirely from the game, because efectively that is what theyve done.

What i dont understand is:

If these abilities were so powerful why they hell were they completely removed without putting something in there place?

Why couldnt bliz attempt to nerf them, without removal? A diminished rocket boots, say 1 sec down from 2 (this might actually be in line with tuskarr's speed increase), or sub stealth detect with some F"ING resil.

And the biggest question of all, WHY NO WARNING? Why did the stealth detection nerf have to be snuck in a day or two before the patch, why did we have to find out about the rocket boot stealth nerf IN ARENA? Why do you make the biggest single profession nerf, in one of the most expensive proffesions to level, a secret?????



So now you've killed engineering, the profession with no monitary insentive, no stat insentive, and now no practical benifit besides rocket chant and lightning trink (Which I'd like to add are the newest addition to engineering, and arguably the REAL problem with it in arenas, as well as the easiest thing to fix with nerfs).

This is how nerfs the engineering should have gone:

Rocket launcher enchant: 10% nerf to damage, now has a shared 5 sec cooldown with gnomish lightning generator.
Gnomish Lightning generator: Now has a 2 sec cast and has a shared 5 sec cooldown with rocket launcher enchant.

This way rogue teams dont have 3k instant ranged dmg on call.

Nitro boots and stealth detect weren't the problem it was these two things being chained for ridiculus dmg on top of already ridiculus class burst.

Thank You again blizzard for ruining my latest character (the former being my SPriest), wasting thousands of gold, and giving me less and less faith that this game will remain fun.

[K4ge]

But rerolling JC because it's better in PvE is ok?
You can get glad without engineering, but if you're really aiming to be the best, then you should put some effort into it. Hell, it's easier than rerolling character because certain racials are better

[diseous]

The good news is that I am going to be making an assload of gold selling uncut gems

[Misiere]

I have a feeling blizzard in the future will disable all racials in arena matches

[tjanson]

You guys who posted about recently leveling engineering only to have it nerfed, are MAKING BLIZZARDS POINT. Leveling engineering soley for the arena benifit is why they nerfed it into the ground , they didnt want people to feel the HAD to level engineering to be competitive (theyre real problem is that class balance is still in the toliet and something as small as a 2sec speed burst breaks arenas in their eyes). That being said this is still a ridiculus thing to do. Engineering is the only profession that is any fun, and they just took that fun away. I personally get it so that my toons without levitate or slowfall have a way to slowfall (i love cliff diving), but these nerfs should just stop beating around the bush and remove engineering entirely from the game, because efectively that is what theyve done.

What i dont understand is:

If these abilities were so powerful why they hell were they completely removed without putting something in there place?

Why couldnt bliz attempt to nerf them, without removal? A diminished rocket boots, say 1 sec down from 2 (this might actually be in line with tuskarr's speed increase), or sub stealth detect with some F"ING resil.

And the biggest question of all, WHY NO WARNING? Why did the stealth detection nerf have to be snuck in a day or two before the patch, why did we have to find out about the rocket boot stealth nerf IN ARENA? Why do you make the biggest single profession nerf, in one of the most expensive proffesions to level, a secret?????



So now you've killed engineering, the profession with no monitary insentive, no stat insentive, and now no practical benifit besides rocket chant and lightning trink (Which I'd like to add are the newest addition to engineering, and arguably the REAL problem with it in arenas, as well as the easiest thing to fix with nerfs).

This is how nerfs the engineering should have gone:

Rocket launcher enchant: 10% nerf to damage, now has a shared 5 sec cooldown with gnomish lightning generator.
Gnomish Lightning generator: Now has a 2 sec cast and has a shared 5 sec cooldown with rocket launcher enchant.

This way rogue teams dont have 3k instant ranged dmg on call.

Nitro boots and stealth detect weren't the problem it was these two things being chained for ridiculus dmg on top of already ridiculus class burst.

Thank You again blizzard for ruining my latest character (the former being my SPriest), wasting thousands of gold, and giving me less and less faith that this game will remain fun.

I said this before in another thread, but yeah. Engineers DID really get screwed, as did all of the people who were forced to reroll engineering to stay competitive. I considered it myself several times, but I saw this coming ever since they changed their minds, AGAIN about letting rocket boots be usable in arenas.

Honestly Blizzard fails so hard in this area it's not even funny. The complete lack of warning, and the fact that this is the second time they've made this decision... I would be furious if I were a long time engineer, but you cannot argue that Nitro boots belong in arena. I'm sorry, but it's just too damn overpowered, and as Sage Faux said, the mass rerolls just prove it.

What needs to happen with engineering is the stat bonuses given need to match the other crafting professions. And the other ones are pretty well balanced overall, although I'd give JC the edge.

What I could see Blizzard doing is to make Nitro boot enhancement give you a passive speed increase, higher than the ones available to everyone. Maybe a 12-15% increase? That would make engineering still appealing(unless you're a ret paladin or feral druid, but I kinda doubt there were a ton of feral druid engineers) but it wouldn't be that game changing speed boost that it is now.

[Sage Faux]

OMFG NEW NERF ALERT!!!!!

They DO have a 5sec lockout on the lightning trinket and the rocket enchant......

so now there is no saving grace what so ever for engineering.....

Is it worth having a profession soley for a parachute cloak........


Thank You blizzard, for killing my profession, i expect a new one at max lvl in the mail any day now.

[Gahno]

Nitro Boots Shut Down in Arena
After several attempts to balance the Nitro Boots ability in the arena, we have decided that we currently do not have an acceptable solution. Until we are able to better balance this ability it has been shut down in the arenas. We fully plan to continue working on this item and we intend to adjust it in upcoming patches.

We have plans to make certain that this item is still worth the investment made in it. So don't vendor it just yet. (Source)

Is a 2 seconds sprint per 3 minutes (which is avalible to everyone who may choose the proffession) too overpowered in arena PvP?
Had it been a racial or something that is restricted to only some players to use I would´ve understood the nerf, but it isn´t a racial. I´ts a proffession. A proffession which for the most part only is (was) good for PvP. This is by far the most destructable nerf to a proffession I´ve ever seen in my wow experience and it will definetly result in anything BUT making this game more fun to play.
I would very much like to know why this benefit is so much better than the benefits of other proffessions and what Nitro Boosts will be turned into. Just tell us so we can /unlearn Engineering instead of wasting our time on a proffession worth absolutely nothing. :-\

[pìka]

HAHA.. it's the same as always.
They nerfed it in TBC also when to many started to use it in arena.

[Raptor]

i'm inscripter, and don't want to reroll that. why eng have sprint but inscripting not? i want some too...
my profession gives me nothing but shoulder enchant for pvp (same amount of spd i can take from other professions btw)
stop crying about enginering, you have fireworks, and your googles is good when you dont have top hat
you have good gloves enchant, you have saper charges or whanever, x-ray googles, and many many things. why people roll eng only for that crappy rocket and nitro i dunno =\