Paladin is the worst class

[thegreatheed]

but never seen a prot pala compete at anything harder then thorim (normal 25) - its just too much useless strain on the healers - why have a weaker tank do it when u can have a dk do it no problem?

so i agree on ur dk point ... they simply are the best tanks - because they are based on parry+dodge + %dmg reductions as well as their numerous cooldowns which are very handy for hardmodes

i've tanked general vezax while not kiting enrages, steelbreaker hardmode, hodir thorim cat lady, anything you can imagine. (on my prot paladin)

basically l2p.

[Larwood]

its fun dps'ing as prot?

clearly never played a paladin - LOL

If you've never heard of dual spec then I guess you've clearly never played wow.

CC?

Try repetance some time, it's good stuff.

healing with a 5k mana pool?

Pref dead tank?

Trolling is much better when you engage brain first.

As for pallies = bad, well blizz know they tank bad, and there are worse ways to dps (it's all that utility, bad luck), but I agree holy is about as complicated as putting holy light on a key spammer.

[Meeki]

Actually I did read them all. Just felt like it needed to be said again.
You really shouldn't assume you know what your talking about. You make
yourself look rather stupid.

Idiot.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[kraiven]

Stupid is as stupid does.

Thanks Forrest.

[thayn33]

I can only speak for holy which I have been playing for almost 2 years now. I see no problem at all with a holy paladin. I dont see why your saying holy can only spam Holy Light on the main tank and that's it. And only one spell? If your a holy pally and only using one spell then YOUR the one making the class boring, not Blizz.

I use at least 4 spells every encounter. which is Flash, Holy, Holy Shock and cleanse. Plus I keep Beacon up on myself or the tank all the time. I can keep our guilds tank at full health which by the way is a Pally also. While throwing some raid heals at the same time. Just last week I was able to SOLO heal 10 man Razorscale without a wipe. And I did so for 90% of the fight. We had a priest and a shaman and I healing. The Shaman and Priest went down almost as soon as the fight started due to a bug where you get triple hit from her fireballs. I only let one other player die that encounter. So the point is a holy pally was able to keep 7 raiders alive and prevent a wipe.

The only reason I say this is because it shows that a holy pally played well can do a LOT more then just spam Holy Light on the tank.

[Meeki]

Thanks Forrest.

Oh good.
I'm not the only one who can hear the laughter.

[topfer]

i've tanked general vezax while not kiting enrages, steelbreaker hardmode, hodir thorim cat lady, anything you can imagine. (on my prot paladin)

basically l2p.

agreed, ours has zero problems tanking anything. if anything he has better threat than most, certainly more than I can generate on a DK, which is a really big deal in fights like HM hodir, and HM vezax.

[Saurus]

i advice you to seek out better dps.

lol

[Lark]

Class does need work, but whining like its dire is just silly. It is true that, say, ret's pve dps is kinda lame, holy doesn't take well to raid stacking, holy is probably a little tiny bit overnerfed in pvp (and, in some sense, has lead to being worse to play in pve) and prot paladins share the same scaling issues as warriors - which is to say, they're not as good as DKs or druids.

But the worst class? I find that hard to believe. You always need paladins.

[PBitt]

The palladin is the one class I have no interest in playing because I personally find every spec to be the most boring possible spec in that role, at least in Wotlk. Holy is bleh, ret is extremely unattractive and prot's unique aoe opness that was really amazing in Heroic runs in TBC is not so unique and attractive anymore. That being said, I do like them (and their buffs) and appreciate people that actually find enough interesting about the class to play it. They can be pretty amazing at all 3 roles, and they are pretty decent in PvP.

[Marvdatboi]

Paladins are at a decent place atm way better then BC. I'll admit we need minor tweaks to certain trees, talents, and spells but the recent string of nerfs and lack of buffs stems from people's stigma on Paladins. Long story short, Paladin is not the Worst class atm.

[Palaranger]

I do agree that a lot of all three trees need reworking; however I find it annoying that people keep begging for holy to be like other healers. If you want to be like that class, ROLL IT. Paladins are designed to be SINGLE TARGET healers, but no one seems to understand this. (I'm not saying some of the mechanics don't need to be fixed just that we're not meant to be raid healers.)

[Charlez]

I play paladin, I have greater than Decent gear for Retri aswell as Holy.

And I must say that holy really needs some changes, its just not funny pressing Flash of Light/Holylight all the freaking time, these spells arent different (playing wise) as they both do the same thing (just diff. cast time and amount) Sure, holy light can be glyphed, but its still not a big amount and does not change how you use Holy Light when main-tank healing.

If you compare Shamans and Paladins, shamans have Riptide, Chain heal and lesser healing wave and also Healing wave. So you can say (in practic) that they have got Flash of Light and Holy Light, but also they have riptide (sure can be compared to holy shock) But they have Chain Heal which is they major spell when raid healing and thats something paladins cant do. Also they have shields and totems.

So my idea for paladins would be a spell which is close to Chain heal but with some new ideas. Paladins needs something so they can raid heal, as they are the only healing class which cant raid heal (No, Hoy light spam isnt effecive (for mana or amount) to raid heal a whole raid)

[Spurlij]

I think someone sucks at playing a paladin.

[Narveid]

Sometimes I just feel ashamed to be a paladin when I see threads like this ..

Lets do PvE first.

Holy, not the greatest raid healer, but a great MT healer really. I have seen paladins better at healing than druids, priests and shamans, so if you think its boring or sucky, I suggest you leave the role to better players and change to another class or specc. Thats whats so great about WoW and Paladins

Protection have great threat building, but aren't the top tank right now. Does it make it a bad tank? No, because both druids and warriors are in the same boat, with druids even worse. I was a raiding prot paladin in tbc, I was MT back then, despite the differences then, so shouldn't be a super problem now..

Retribution dps .. Are we top dps? No. Are we brough to raids? Yes. Does it matter if we are top or not then? Not really. Do we have some nice utility moves that can save a raid? Yes. How nice.

I am not going to say anything about Holy in PvP, not tried it a lot ..

Retribution in PvP? We might need a little change from being super bursty and over to something less facerolling-like, but that will come in the next patch, so no need to whine about that.

[Davlar]

Hey, atleast it isn't as bad as before: http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/2584/paladins0gf.jpg or maybe it's worse when I think of it :P

[Extremity]

Can somebody please find the post that a guy made a while back thanking Blizzard for the Paladin class as it was clearly designed to allow players to raid with one hand and watch porn at the same time? It was awesome.

But yeah, Paladins are pretty boring to play. As prot all I can really do is generate as much threat as possible... I don't really get the feeling that I can do anything defensive other than keep holy/sacred shield up and shield wall when needed. I can't disarm a mob, I can't intervene to somebody to save them, I can't thunderclap (except for a passive, automatic ability), I can't last stand when I see a big hit coming, I can't do... anything. I'm just a DPS that does shitty DPS and gets hit by the boss or the trash mobs or whatever. I feel like I lack any sort of utility while tanking anything, unless I want to throw up sac and INCREASE the damage I'm taking, which I'm pretty sure isn't my goal. But hey, I can bring BLESSING OF SANCTUARY to the raid. Cool.

I don't even need to start saying why ret is boring.

[lament]

with wotlk so many kids got attracted to the paladin class, hardly anyone of them fought for their rights in the past five years.

paladin ( except holy) was crap in classic, semi-crap in bc and got neat in wotlk, imba at the beginnig ( in terms of pvp) and now the fotm kids got angry, period.

[Lark]

People ask for raid healing so they actually, you know, get raid slots. Most Ulduar fights are very very 1 paladin only while learning. This is not true of the aoe healing classes, which you continue to stay due to fight design.

No one really wants to reroll and restart gearing over fight design.

Paladins are at a decent place atm way better then BC.

not really.

Essentially speaking, you do not want to be the best healer in 2's at the start of an expansion. In TBC, paladins were clearly overpowered in Season 1, got nerfed repeatedly even after representation dropped even after the end of S1. This is essentially what we're seeing now, pardoning the fact ret is playable now, which has actually led to repeated holy nerfs in arena as well...


Anyway point being is it simply follows the pattern. Don't know if it will get as bad as in tbc.

[Sanguissa]

I do agree that a lot of all three trees need reworking; however I find it annoying that people keep begging for holy to be like other healers. If you want to be like that class, ROLL IT. Paladins are designed to be SINGLE TARGET healers, but no one seems to understand this. (I'm not saying some of the mechanics don't need to be fixed just that we're not meant to be raid healers.)

Its wotlk today, not tbc. Please think about it for a moment, take a look on some glyphs and paladin spells. We own at single, and we exel at raid. We are awesome. Beacon judgement usability glyphs, thats are all things that hlp raidhealing. Now stack haste and crit, buuld a spec/gear/glyphs fo mana and HL, spam HL like hell, here we go.