Mace Specialization please?

[Handsylton]

I don't know about you, but whenever I envision a Paladin on the field of combat, I usually picture them with a big ass Mace, their HAMMER of righteousness. It only seems right that a Paladin should have his Hammer of Justice, his Hammer of Wrath by his side when defending the meek and those that can not defend themselves.

What I'm trying to say is that lorewise, a Paladin should be encouraged to use a mace, because this is their weapon of choice to thwart those evil, corrupted creatures from this plain of existance. Arthas used a mace as a Paladin. Uther used a mace as a Paladin. It is clearly what Paladins are supposed to be using.

So Blizzard, if you would please do so, encourage your Retribution Paladins to use their hammers to vanquish their enemies by adding a talent in the Ret tree that is Mace Specialization. Increase our damage when using maces by 1/2/3%. Add a couple maces into the game that rival weapons like BoH so we don't stray away from our favorite choice of weapon.

This is not me asking for a straight DPS boost. This is me asking for my freaking hammer back. Thank you.

[Silenthand]

Don't you have 2 handed specialization, or did the change that?

I'm not into much lore, but I'm sure not every paladin ever used a mace. I know the blood elf starting weapon is in fact a sword.

[Volly]

in that case..can we have sword Spec/Axe Spec add as well...cause i personally hate mace

[Handsylton]

Don't you have 2 handed specialization, or did the change that?

I'm not into much lore, but I'm sure not every paladin ever used a mace. I know the blood elf starting weapon is in fact a sword.

There is two handed weapon specialization, but that in no way encourages the use of maces, which is what every important paladin in WoW lore used when he/she was a paladin. And yes, the Blood Elf starting weapon is a sword, which I also disagree with, as well as the Blood Knights quest weapon at 20 being a polearm. Using other weapons is fine, and I'm fine with using other kinds of weapons when they are just plain better, but I also believe that paladins should in some way be encouraged to use maces.

in that case..can we have sword Spec/Axe Spec add as well...cause i personally hate mace

Axes to me are more of a Warrior or DK weapon. Same with swords. I know that some people aren't a big fan of the mace, but I just don't see a paladin slashing people into little bits and slicing their heads off, but I can definitely see a paladin messing someone's day up by crushing them under the hammer of justice. Just my opinion though. Not to mention, half of our abilities and talents have HAMMER right in the name. I mean come on? It's kind of obvious to me that we should probably be using Maces.

[failoth]

realistically all this would do is force paladins to use maces or be inferior, and further mess up loot tables.

[Belegonfax]

Axes to me are more of a Warrior or DK weapon. Same with swords. I know that some people aren't a big fan of the mace, but I just don't see a paladin slashing people into little bits and slicing their heads off, but I can definitely see a paladin messing someone's day up by crushing them under the hammer of justice. Just my opinion though. Not to mention, half of our abilities and talents have HAMMER right in the name. I mean come on? It's kind of obvious to me that we should probably be using Maces.

if you like maces that much, use one, problem solved

[Handsylton]

realistically all this would do is force paladins to use maces or be inferior, and further mess up loot tables.

I wouldn't say it would be inferior. Who said anything about getting rid of 2H weapon specialization? Add a second part to two handed weapon specialization. Increases damage by 2/4/6% when using two handed weapons, or 3/5/7% when using Maces. Our DPS wouldn't change from where it is right now, but would give us an added benefit for using the kinds of weapons we should be using lorewise. Replacing 2H Weapons Specialization with Mace Specialization as a 1/2/3% damage gain would be horrible with the loot tables that are out right now.

Mainly, I just think that maces are being undervalued at this point in the game over axes and swords. Throwing a really good DPS mace onto one or two loot tables in the next patch would not really mess up itemization at all, and this would lessen the burden on the #1 2H DPS weapons, because we would get the same amount of damage theoretically from the Maces as we would the BiS Axes and Swords.

if you like maces that much, use one, problem solved

When right now I could use BoH or a mace that really isn't that good comparitively, I'm obviously going to choose the axe because there is no benefit to use a mace, which really goes against paladin lore.

[mistashizzle]

Ashbringer isn't a sword?

My first thought

[failoth]

what you want is more 2h maces in the loot tables then, 1% more dps with a shit mace would still be worse than a betrayer. no need to mess up the talent trees.

[Zoialord]

He's posting this from a "lore" perspective and in a sense is correct. Paladin's have always used Mace's (Exception to that was ofcourse Mograine and the Ashbringer).

The problem with them sorta making Mace's better for paladin's would be the QQ aspect of it, we get enough QQ now cause were so say "facerolling" in arena's and BG's (we may in BG's against low res target's admitted but not against anyone with half a brain or who knows how and when pallys are likely to burst, we do have burst but it is pretty predictable lol).

From lore though yeah Paladins should be encouraged to use a mace, Blood knight's on the other hand should use Swords. Belf "Paladins" are just the class name it's not the lore behind them they are always referred to as "Blood Knights" and never as "Paladins".

Also i think having a mace specialization tied with the damage boosters we do get from 2h weapons and the way we do our damage, the skill would have to be either A) Tied into 2h Spec B) put high in the tree to stop people getting both as a Hybrid build (much like the Holy/repentance builds) if it wasnt it would prob be the most OP talent for Ret and any other spec lol.

[Rajadin]

Fuck mace spec, I want an Expertise talent.

[Handsylton]

From lore though yeah Paladins should be encouraged to use a mace, Blood knight's on the other hand should use Swords. Belf "Paladins" are just the class name it's not the lore behind them they are always referred to as "Blood Knights" and never as "Paladins".

Also i think having a mace specialization tied with the damage boosters we do get from 2h weapons and the way we do our damage, the skill would have to be either A) Tied into 2h Spec B) put high in the tree to stop people getting both as a Hybrid build (much like the Holy/repentance builds) if it wasnt it would prob be the most OP talent for Ret and any other spec lol.

It's actually kind of funny you mention that, because if you read up on the Blood Elf Paladins, many of them are considered to be true paladins because they use the holy light to defend their beliefs which they think are what is right, therefore they are true Paladins, even though they are referred to as Blood Knights.

And yes, the Mace specialization would definitely be tied in with the 2H specialization. Like I said before, something like 2H weapon damage by 2/4/6% and 2H Mace damage by 3/5/7%.

[shockpally]

Don't you have 2 handed specialization, or did the change that?

I'm not into much lore, but I'm sure not every paladin ever used a mace. I know the blood elf starting weapon is in fact a sword.

Blood elves are only called Paladin for game purposes. Their quest weapon is a Polearm (blood tempered Ransure) Outside of giving them the same spells and recolored mount they made up lots of pseudolore to make them as different as they could.

They even have a quest to desecrate Uthers Tomb.

[Handsylton]

Blood elves are only called Paladin for game purposes. Their quest weapon is a Polearm (blood tempered Ransure) Outside of giving them the same spells and recolored mount they made up lots of pseudolore to make them as different as they could.

They even have a quest to desecrate Uthers Tomb.

They do this believing it is just and the right thing to do. Doesn't matter if you are evil or not, if you believe that what you are doing is the righteous thing to do, the holy light will stay with you, and you are still a paladin.

[olicon]

Herod is a paladin. He uses an axe. He screams "Blades of Light!" when he seared my face off with the Holy Light. He also commands an army hell bent on killing (and re-killing) anything that moves.

Need I say more?

[Handsylton]

Divine Storm - a slew of holy HAMMERS fly around you dealing holy damage.

Hammer of Wrath - you throw a holy HAMMER at your target.

Hammer of Justice - stun your opponent with a HAMMER of justice.

Judgements - A holy HAMMER flys down from the sky to judge your enemy.

Our symbol for Paladins is a HAMMER.

Need I say more?

[shockpally]

They do this believing it is just and the right thing to do. Doesn't matter if you are evil or not, if you believe that what you are doing is the righteous thing to do, the holy light will stay with you, and you are still a paladin.

I guess that's why they had a Naru chained up in the basement.

Lots of people "Believe" what they are doing is right. It doesnt make it right though.

Some examples:
Taliban
shining path
3k
most extremest groups
Blizzard Ent.

[Borigrad]

actually the whole blood elf paladin thing is that they were betryed by the alliance and so they say fuck em. They do what they need to to survive like every culture in the world.

to your maces i say nay, honestly i don't even use maces for my holy pally and i use a palearm for my ret pally. the only time i would ever use a mace is for the legendary. other then i perfer stabbing and slicing most people do... go figure eh.

[Handsylton]

I guess that's why they had a Naru chained up in the basement.

Lots of people "Believe" what they are doing is right. It doesnt make it right though.

Some examples:
Taliban
shining path
3k
most extremest groups
Blizzard Ent.

It doesn't really matter if what you're doing is right or wrong. The Holy Light doesn't actually differentiate between good and evil. It stays in the heart of whoever believes that their actions are just and righteous.

actually the whole blood elf paladin thing is that they were betryed by the alliance and so they say fuck em. They do what they need to to survive like every culture in the world.

to your maces i say nay, honestly i don't even use maces for my holy pally and i use a palearm for my ret pally. the only time i would ever use a mace is for the legendary. other then i perfer stabbing and slicing most people do... go figure eh.

"The Blood Knights are commonly mistaken as the enemy of the Knights of the Silver Hand by outsiders unfamiliar with the ways of the Light, but this is false presumption. Paladins are the embodiment of goodliness and selfless dedication to the protection of their peoples. They help the innocent and punish the wicked. As such, all paladins are of good alignment." - http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladin

Basically, Blood Knights are Paladins because they protect the innocent and punish who they believe are the wicked. They are selflessly dedicated to the protection of their people. They are definitely really Paladins.

Stabbing and slicing and cutting are warrior and DK stuff. Wanna beat someone down with a holy hammer? Be a Paladin. All our attacks are based off of hammers. Just kinda makes sense to me.

[Zoialord]

Ok here's the difference between a Paladin and a Blood Knight in simple terms and from what is wrote about it at the Char creation screen.

Paladins Wield the Holy Light, Blood Knights (Belf Paladins) bend the powers of the holy light to suit they're own purposes. Blood Elves and High Elves were never Paladins, they did have Cleric's like every other race, but in general they were Arcane Magic users, Blood Elves use Fel Magic (hence the green eye's not the blue of they're High Elven kin).

They gained a way to use the "Holy light" by Twisting and corrupting a Naaru (Yep same one you get in SWP Muru). They actually have no tie to the holy light outside of them using it's ability's.

They do not wield it like paladins, they use it.

"Blood elves known as Blood Knights bend the powers of the Light to their will, though rumor has it they have recently began to use the Light legitimately."

http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladin

They bend it and them using it freely is a "rumor". If they use it freely then that would make certain Blood Elves "Paladins" it would not make Blood Knights "Paladins"..

Sorry for going a bit off topic but thought people should be told about that bit before referring to all Belf Pallys as True Paladins