Fish Feast or Dragonfin.

[Venters]

I'm wondering as a ret pally is the 20 ap lost from the Dragonfin due to kings and talents, made up by the 46 sp of the fish feast?

I remember seeing that our seals get some benefit from ap and sp but I can't remember where so i thought it should but a few people have told me that Dragonfin is better because I'm melee.

[Adamson]

no, dragonfin wins.

[Draco cracona]

SP sucks for DPS. Go with str or hit depending.

[Swampmoose]

The difference is so few dps that it really won't kill you to eat the fish feast, but yes, Dragonfin is a hair better.

[Raptorg]

I'd go with the Fish Feast cause it's free. (Assuming you don't go fishing yourself, and you're not setting up the fish feast.)

My raidleader puts up a fish feast before every boss we kill. And even if my Rhinolicious Wormsteak is better(40 expertise, godly for tanking) I still eat a fish feast, unless I need more threat(Hodir for example).

As for dps'ing, I'd go with the fish feast as well.


Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm a death knight. But we also gain more from strength, and we don't gain from spellpower at all. So the fish feast is also worse than the 40 strength food for us.
But I believe, if the difference in damage isn't needed. Then why waste your money on it? The e-peen meter? That's just lame..

[Ronark]

I'd go with the Fish Feast cause it's free. (Assuming you don't go fishing yourself, and you're not setting up the fish feast.)

My raidleader puts up a fish feast before every boss we kill. And even if my Rhinolicious Wormsteak is better(40 expertise, godly for tanking) I still eat a fish feast, unless I need more threat(Hodir for example).

As for dps'ing, I'd go with the fish feast as well.


Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm a death knight. But we also gain more from strength, and we don't gain from spellpower at all. So the fish feast is also worse than the 40 strength food for us.
But I believe, if the difference in damage isn't needed. Then why waste your money on it? The e-peen meter? That's just lame..

I'd use the Dragonfin over FF anyday ecept like Rap mentioned, when someone else drops the Feast, or if you were in a smaller group (i.e. 5 mans) and every bit of DPS matters.

[Martini]

I'd go with the Fish Feast cause it's free. (Assuming you don't go fishing yourself, and you're not setting up the fish feast.)

My raidleader puts up a fish feast before every boss we kill. And even if my Rhinolicious Wormsteak is better(40 expertise, godly for tanking) I still eat a fish feast, unless I need more threat(Hodir for example).

As for dps'ing, I'd go with the fish feast as well.


Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm a death knight. But we also gain more from strength, and we don't gain from spellpower at all. So the fish feast is also worse than the 40 strength food for us.
But I believe, if the difference in damage isn't needed. Then why waste your money on it? The e-peen meter? That's just lame..

hrm, why use the epic gem when you can use the uncommon gem, it's cost more so it's not worth it...

In encounters everything counts.

[Offhand]

Napkin math time.

40 str * 1.15 talent multiplier * 1.1 kings multiplier = 50.6 strength

50.6 strength = 101 AP and 31 SP

Compare that to 80 AP and 70 SP (adjusted for sheath).

So the gains can be broken down to:
Dragonfin: 21 AP
Feast: 39 SP

Now someone go take a ret stat weight to those numbers. My money is on the AP gain.

[Raptorg]

hrm, why use the epic gem when you can use the uncommon gem, it's cost more so it's not worth it...

In encounters everything counts.

No, not everything counts.

If I have 30% more threat than the first dps, throughout the encounter.
Or if we're killing a boss with 3 minutes left on the enrage timer.

What's the point in using better food? Exactly. Nothing!
The exact gain, is nothing. Nothing at all.


Why bother? Please tell me.

[Raiss]

No, not everything counts.

If I have 30% more threat than the first dps, throughout the encounter.
Or if we're killing a boss with 3 minutes left on the enrage timer.

What's the point in using better food? Exactly. Nothing!
The exact gain, is nothing. Nothing at all.


Why bother? Please tell me.

More people need to use str food so I can actually win some money with fishing.

[Nikoll]

Str outways now, but i wonder about after 3.2. corruption scales more off of SP. I don't think it is going to be enough to outweigh the white hits/cs/ds, but it is worth looking into.

No, not everything counts.

If I have 30% more threat than the first dps, throughout the encounter.
Or if we're killing a boss with 3 minutes left on the enrage timer.

What's the point in using better food? Exactly. Nothing!
The exact gain, is nothing. Nothing at all.


Why bother? Please tell me.

you are the kind of person that make raiding a chore. because i'm the guy that would have to tell you how much of an idiot you are. Also, so you know. your DPS is horse shit if they cant stay withing 30% of a dk.

[Raptorg]

you are the kind of person that make raiding a chore. because i'm the guy that would have to tell you how much of an idiot you are. Also, so you know. your DPS is horse shit if they cant stay withing 30% of a dk.

You should know, paladin.

[Adamson]

30% is a pretty big lead. I would be impressed.

[Melonberry]

You do know that is a tank that is "30% ahead"...and on threat.

Not all that uncommon. That 30% ahead is what allows Maly, Hodir, and other dps race bosses to be possible. A tank could afk on patchwerk and hold threat. I've seen it done. Not even autoattacking.

[Aerials]

No, not everything counts.

If I have 30% more threat than the first dps, throughout the encounter.
Or if we're killing a boss with 3 minutes left on the enrage timer.

What's the point in using better food? Exactly. Nothing!
The exact gain, is nothing. Nothing at all.

Why bother? Please tell me.

you are the epitome of the new raiders since wotlk.
if you were in my guild, i'd sit you out even if we only had 24.

[tlitd]

40 str * 1.15 talent multiplier * 1.1 kings multiplier = 50.6 strength

50.6 strength = 101 AP and 31 SP

Compare that to 80 AP and 70 SP (adjusted for sheath).

looks like someone has overlooked the scaling of AP itself :P

dragonfin filet :
AP = floor(floor(40*1.15*1.1)*2*1.1) = 110
SP = floor(floor(floor(40*1.15*1.1)*2*1.1)*0.3) = 33

fish feast :
AP = floor(80*1.1) = 88
SP = floor(floor(80*1.1)*0.3)+46 = 72

strength is strength, but the feast isn't far behind


edit : corrected the TSA/AM/UR contribution

[Raptorg]

Where did you get that 10% more AP from?

[Deleted]

fish feast :
AP = floor(80*1.1) = 88
SP = floor(floor(80*1.1)*0.3)+46 = 72

since when does AP and SP scale with kings? or is there a talent i have overlooked?

[iktankniet]

fish feast is a flat number that's added to AP/SP. its not changed by Kings or anything else.

[Skagasm]

Where did you get that 10% more AP from?

I assume it's the +10% from Abom's Might, Trueshot Aura, or Unleashed Rage. However, that +10% AP goes towards AP from STR as much as pure AP so it's inappropriate not to tack it on to both.

These are accurate enough:
Dragonfin: +22 AP
Feast: +39 SP

Assuming these #s are complete and accurate... if those SP scaling abilities make up more than ~40% of your damage Fish Feast is probably better. That 40% is very rough and lazy; there are so many variables not being accounted for.

Overall, I think the difference here is so minor your best option is probably whichever is cheapest.