Shadowstep viable in Arena?

[iJuno]

G'day!

I'm currently leveling my 72 Rogue with a Shadowstep-spec and I think it's a really fun spec, tried Muti a few levels but I hated it. The problem is that I'm aming to do some Arena with my friends Frost Mage when I hit 80. And I have no idea if ShS is viable in 2v2/3v3.

From what I've heard Rogue/Mage requires a lot of synced bursts to have a chance to survive against other setups. And I don't now if Sub can do the amount of burst compared to Muti.

So, do you think we'll have a chance as ShS Rogue / Frost Mage, or should I go for Muti to get somewhat high rating?


Thanks in advance
iJuno

[zerovampire311]

You can effectively play Shadowstep if you're good. Otherwise you should probably faceroll Mut.

[Amstelkid]

You can effectively play Shadowstep if you're good. Otherwise you should probably faceroll Mut.

/agree
If you have a problem with multible options, don't go for it. Cause you don't want to pass on Shadow Dance.

[Amstelkid]

I think hemo is a more viable specc in next season if you get the t2 weps cus of the high wep dmg. and when I get mine.. I know I will go sub again ;D

I think he ment, ambush/backstab sub :

[Snopptrollet]

It's completely playable, although maybe not as good when we're talking about the higher brackets and better geared people.

[TwistedPower]

If your trying for a full set of the best Arena gear, you not going to make it as shadowstep. When you have a partner shadow step isnt good then if your chasing sombody down by yourself. And your missing deadly brew and that sucks. You cant solo (as a rogue) any healer on the PTR anymore if they know what their doing so when that patch comes out shadowstep is even worse :-(

Its too bad. Shadowstep was my favorite specs when it was good in BC. It was realy fun.

Killing spree might actually make it but who knows, i wish it didnt change targets.

[Kesther]

Once you get full gear and want to face-roll sub 2k-2.2k rated teams go killing spree.

Killing spree is definately a faceroll with games lasting under 20 seconds, shadowstep / shadowdance (subtlety) spec is definately a lot more complicated than the other two, but once mastered it's great.

[Jaggers]

Honestly don't know where most of you get your information O.o

I mean Sub is probably more viable with mage rogue than any other comp.

And second of all, if I get a healer or any caster to trinket, I can get them in a full KS to 4 ambushes with 4 pt eviscerates inbetween and ending with a garrote for teh silence as KS falls off in too a cheap shot. Put that on 1 minute cooldown and getting a healer without a trinket will be easy. Plus bleeds doing even more dmg, and sub is known for having the best bleed dmg.

As far as current arena goes. If you know how to play sub is the better spec. It has a higher skill cap by far in my opinion. And burst... Definitely has more burst than mutilate through dance.

And its not hard to reset and wait for it to come back off cooldown either. And next patch will just be even easier.

However... Im currently 27/0/44 and am dishing out 3k hemmo's with the t1 mace.. Im running rogue lock; just started this week; up to 2150 atm.

First time playing the comp, and the spec, since 70.

Bottom line, for all of you people doubting subs ability to perform well in high end arena your definitely mistaken.

[WheresKragar]

I'm getting 3k hemo crits with Razorscale Talon (uld 10), so if you're only getting 2.2 with furious, you're doing it wrong.

[Shimata]

You can effectively play Shadowstep if you're good. Otherwise you should probably faceroll Mut.

Says the guy below 1300 rating


Seriously though, I dont like Shadowstep since you cant really burst outside the shadow dance cooldown.
Mut is more solid imo.

[K4ge]

As a 27/0/44 hemo rogue you deal about as much damage as a mutilate that... if the mutilate rogue never crits.
and shadowdance is viable, however every setup that can be played sdance is better with mutilate. end of story. there's a reason it's fotm also in high ratings and that's because it is currently (and sadly) the best.

[gobtol]

Does anyone else think it's funny that mutilate is now the faceroll spec and ShS is the one that requires skill? It used to be completely opposite.

[Furio 1]

ShS was the most fun spec ive ever played on my rogue at 70, wish it was still good. Right now im mutilate, and I drop stuff prety easy. I hope sub swordds / maces makes a come back! I did have alot of experiences with getting stuck in places with bad shadowsteps tho =/

[Cracked]

with the new daggers its possible that subtl will become viable again.

[Boondock]

doing shadowdance daggers in bgs and on rare occasions in 3v3 (pretty high rated) and it works, its just very dependant on pulling off a perfect dance, otherwise you suck for 2 mins

[Dezz24]

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=116583

id say ShS+Hemo is viable...

[TwistedPower]

with the new daggers its possible that subtl will become viable again.

Um last a checked the capped point arena team for 3's right now (thats 3k Raiting) Is a sub rogue. So it doesnt need to become viable again, its viable now.

The team here : http://www.arenajunkies.com/team/3v3...our_turn_baby/

The rogue here: http://www.arenajunkies.com/char/US/Blackrock/Reckful/

The rogues offical armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...rock&n=Reckful

[WheresKragar]

I'm glad we've got real pros like you to set us straight, "bro"....

I spend my time lying about the damage figure on my hemo crits on message boards for attention. It fills that void inside me. :

Just because you can't play anything other than mutilate, that doesn't make it impossible. Get over thyself.

Aka fail.

[K4ge]

Reckful playes backstab/dance in arenas.

[Jaggers]

Bullshit, just (yes, just) respecced to Hemo, bought the t1 sword and I'm getting 2.2k Hemorrhage crits on the fucking target dummy.
Only viable Subtlety spec is Shadow Dance daggers, and it'll be sweet next patch with the 1 min cd.
Less crap next time, please.

AP: 4041

4250 attack power.

I hit for 1563 on average according recount on a fully furious warrior as of last night. And yes.. with daggers.. You either didn't spec right or you just suck O.o; Probably the latter.

Reckfuls been playing ShS hemmo and back stab dance since the 3.0 patch. And was even talked about in the 3v3 world tournament championship round. Don't have the link, don't care to find it.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...27gall&n=Kobey

My armory page.

Your obviously one of those rogues who fotmd at 80 and was suddenly good, because Mutilate takes a lot of skill to play..