Rogues feel their perfectly balanced

[kainron]

just put up a post on the rogue forums and pretty much they consider themselves defensless, just enough damage to apply pressure their cooldowns are too far and few apart.

what i love the most is it seemed like most of the posters felt that double dps teams should be able to get them gladiator. granted they can but it seems they feel its more difficult than it should be.

i probably should have asked here since most pvp rogues would be reading the pvp arena forum instead of class forums so if you feel otherwise feel free to post something here.

cause i honestly think with all the utility rogues bring to a team their pvp damage should not be much higher than that of an arms warrior.

[Sunstrikeisretlawl]

Well, the double dps scenario is about to end, or at least to glad, since 2v won't reward that anyway. I can't tell you how many times the rogue on my 3v has not had his trinket off CD, just to get destroyed in one HoJ, or intercept stun. Imo rogues are fine, maybe not 1v1, or in a 2v2 you play in that's hard countered by mage/rogue or rogue/priest.

[Boombjørn]

You should only post about pvp on MMO if you want to help others with some questions, if you want to discuss anything, you should go to Arena Junkies. Do not expect that ppl, who don't even want to do an effort to get Glad titel, will give you an straight answer regarding class balance.


But I'll throw my opinion on this topic:

Yes, I think Rogues do alot of damage, but atleast they don't possess sick amount of burst, like Ferals, Ret's and Desto Locks. They can maintain high amount of damage though, and that can be quiet dangerous combined with their stuns. But once you get realy good gear, and play with one or more partners who can manage to peel the Rogue off you, You'll be fine.

But cutting off 8-10% of their damage, would even things out alot more out.

[furtivegain]

They are is your context, thus they're is your version.

Rogues have a tool for just about every situation, are good in many -- but not all comps. I guess that makes them balanced.

You are comparing apples and oranges, there is a lot to consider beyond flat dps.

[Vy]

That's.. nice?

[Splatter]

Rogues do have a lot of control and a lot of dps yes, but they cant use both at the same time. Generally in a double dps situation (rogue/mage for example) the rogue does the lock down, stuns and CC etc, while its the mage that belts out the damage. As the above posters said, rogues in 3v3 and 5v5 perform very differently to 2v2 and 1v1. Apples and oranges. With the new resil changes rogues are going to struggle a bit more and rely even more on their team mates to kill while they lock down. Its a good balance i think and really enforces the teamwork needed in arena.

[Kamakaze0zzy]

U speld it rong,..... its ROWG!

[Gangresnake]

http://www.realmhistory.net/arena-st...breakdown.html

According to the stats, rogues are as balanced as DK, which have a lot of interpretations :|

[Winterhoof]

Yes, I think Rogues do alot of damage, but atleast they don't possess sick amount of burst, like Ferals, Ret's and Desto Locks.

Feral Burst is Negligible. The only thing I can possibly "burst" on is a warlock where I have zerk going off the hop.

[L2theBR]

http://www.realmhistory.net/arena-st...breakdown.html

According to the stats, rogues are as balanced as DK, which have a lot of interpretations :|

Ignorant people are ignorant.

That breakdown is just showing you how many Priest/Rogue and PMR teams are out there. Only reason they are so highly represented is because priests are OP, even though how skilled the rogue is generally determines how well the team does to an extent.

But rogues are fine atm, our damage isn't insane, we don't have OMG WTF burst, everything is just right for us atm besides the fact that we can get gibbed in a matter of 2-3 seconds by a ret, but if your partners are any good you rarely have to worry about that.

Feral Burst is Negligible. The only thing I can possibly "burst" on is a warlock where I have zerk going off the hop.

You're just bad, any team with a feral either CC's the shit out of them, or forces them into bear form the entire match just to avoid their amazing damage.

[Gangresnake]

Ignorant people are ignorant.

That breakdown is just showing you how many Priest/Rogue and PMR teams are out there. Only reason they are so highly represented is because priests are OP, even though how skilled the rogue is generally determines how well the team does to an extent.

Inexistant argument is inexistant.

If i want to know the RP and RMP représentation there another breakdown called "Team statistics", here this is the "Class statistics". Rogue and priests are very similar, and RP is not the only viable comp, because priest can team up with Ret, Mage, DK, Hunt, Feral.

This graphics show that rogues have also other teams than RP, otherwise the class would be much more in the down of the breakdown, wich prove that that's not only Disc Priest, or the RP compo which are a little bit too powerful : /

[Winterhoof]

You're just bad, any team with a feral either CC's the shit out of them, or forces them into bear form the entire match just to avoid their amazing damage.

so you got 2 easy ways to stop feral burst, yet talk like feral burst being a threat?

actually from what I've seen in arena representation, Feral isn't that big of a deal.

[Exorte]

Ignorant people are ignorant.

That breakdown is just showing you how many Priest/Rogue and PMR teams are out there. Only reason they are so highly represented is because priests are OP, even though how skilled the rogue is generally determines how well the team does to an extent.

But rogues are fine atm, our damage isn't insane, we don't have OMG WTF burst, everything is just right for us atm besides the fact that we can get gibbed in a matter of 2-3 seconds by a ret, but if your partners are any good you rarely have to worry about that.

You're just bad, any team with a feral either CC's the shit out of them, or forces them into bear form the entire match just to avoid their amazing damage.

We all know that this game is not balance on 1v1, yet your post says that rogue have higher rep because of having a good combo with another class is wrong??
As long as you have a high rep that means your class is fine.

[Exorte]

so you got 2 easy ways to stop feral burst, yet talk like feral burst being a threat?

actually from what I've seen in arena representation, Feral isn't that big of a deal.

feral druid have 3.2% of Pop above 2200 in 2v2.
Not good but not bad.

[Grindfreak]

Original thread on the rogue forums

[Rumplewinds]

Rogue damage is fine. They are a dps class.

Ret damage is not fine. They can heal and tank, and withstand a lot more punishment.

There has to be a balance. A rogue will die very fast to a nuke, a ret pala or feral druid won't (hello bear form), yet their damage is on the same level anyway? Not balanced.

[rathok]

Rogues do have a lot of control and a lot of dps yes, but they cant use both at the same time. Generally in a double dps situation (rogue/mage for example) the rogue does the lock down, stuns and CC etc, while its the mage that belts out the damage. As the above posters said, rogues in 3v3 and 5v5 perform very differently to 2v2 and 1v1. Apples and oranges. With the new resil changes rogues are going to struggle a bit more and rely even more on their team mates to kill while they lock down. Its a good balance i think and really enforces the teamwork needed in arena.

actually they both lock the other team down and they both dps. The rogue is applying most of the pressure though. The mage just adds spikes of DPS as he's available between CCs/snares/interupts and chasing people around LOS.

[Beaavis]

You should only post about pvp on MMO if you want to help others with some questions, if you want to discuss anything, you should go to Arena Junkies. Do not expect that ppl, who don't even want to do an effort to get Glad titel, will give you an straight answer regarding class balance.

You overrated the 'authorities' in this game. They are just as clueless and one sided as any random you see on the forums. Most are completely sheltered and one sided to the comps they play in also.

I mean if you're looking for advice on a specific comp a Glad plays then sure. But if you're looking for advice on a lot of other things PvP that don't involve their comp then good luck. Its why AJ's setup is retarded.

[Vrillon]

The problem with rogues is the fact how much they can aid other DPS classes.

that is where the problem is IMO.

[omglazor]

The problem with rogues is the combination of huge CC and decent burst + nasty poisons like Crippling (file that under CC). When coupled with a mage (more CC, and solid burst) they become absolutely deadly.