What ticks me off about Ret Arenas

[duriell]

The fact that if my judgement gets absorbed by one of the ridiculous amounts of shields that are now out there, I get no mana return from judgements of the wise. When I play against a team like RMP, the mage has ice barrier and the priest is passing out power word shields and i go OOM with all of the defensive dispelling that I have to do because I get no mana return on judgements. They gave warriors rage gen through bubbles, why the heck can I not get my mana when I judge a bubble? Certainly this must be an oversight as I can't see this is working as intended.
For all of you mouth breathers out there that are about to respond to this post with a "LOL RET FACEROLL", let me save you the time. Don't bother posting here until you have played in the 2k + arena bracket, where guess what, ret isn't overpowered and takes a lot more skill to play than anyone gives credit because people know what they are doing.
But I digress, I'd love to hear some feedback on my initial point, and how people feel about that or if other serious arena rets share the same view as myself.

[Alinor]

The fact that if my judgement gets absorbed by one of the ridiculous amounts of shields that are now out there, I get no mana return from judgements of the wise. When I play against a team like RMP, the mage has ice barrier and the priest is passing out power word shields and i go OOM with all of the defensive dispelling that I have to do because I get no mana return on judgements. They gave warriors rage gen through bubbles, why the heck can I not get my mana when I judge a bubble? Certainly this must be an oversight as I can't see this is working as intended.
For all of you mouth breathers out there that are about to respond to this post with a "LOL RET FACEROLL", let me save you the time. Don't bother posting here until you have played in the 2k + arena bracket, where guess what, ret isn't overpowered and takes a lot more skill to play than anyone gives credit because people know what they are doing.
But I digress, I'd love to hear some feedback on my initial point, and how people feel about that or if other serious arena rets share the same view as myself.

Agreed, problem exists and most likely in priest situation you have more chances to gen mana burned than run oom. As to solution I can only offer to get SoB mana glyph and if you see that things are going bad with your mana, priest is burning you and there is nothing you can do then switch to Seal of Wisdom and you can get ton of mana in short period of time, yes your dps will go down but you will not run oom and can still dps while getting decent regen.

How do I feel about it? I do not feel anything about it, things are the way they are I rather fnd a solution than sit there and feel how upsetting that is.

[Nawramsti]

Played in the 1850 rating in 3's well.. rets generally are a threat to me DUH I PLAY ARCANE >.>.


I think warriors if they also hit a barrier they dont generate
rage, same concept maybe?

[duriell]

I run with the SoB glyph, you won't find many high end rets that don't. The mana issue is not because i get mana burned, a priest would OOM himself faster trying to mana burn a ret that's a terrible idea.

[Sartecho]

I have posted about this issue multiple times. It's absolutely absurd. This wasn't such a big problem when we got so much mana back from Spiritual Attunement. Now we're in a totally different boat with Judgements of the Wise as our only real source of mana regen. Allowing us to be virtually worthless against classes that absorb damage is not an interesting game mechanic, it's stupid.

[Sartecho]

I think warriors if they also hit a barrier they dont generate
rage, same concept maybe?

That was the case until recently. Warrior rage regeneration was fixed (3.1 maybe?) so that they now generate rage when their damage is absorbed.

[Vongimi]

I MANA BURN YOU FOR.... 200 mana... and there goes my 500 mana.... hmmm... awkward.

[Adamson]

I MANA BURN YOU FOR.... 200 mana... and there goes my 500 mana.... hmmm... awkward.

you need more spell power. It's more like 1,000 mana.

It used to be 2200 or so on a normal geared priest.

2 mana burns shouldn't make a single class go from 100-0 mana.

That's why they changed it.




Note: My favorite thing about priest/rogue 2's is that the rogue does all the work.

[atf]

It's % based.

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=8129

[Whoopzz]

I completely agree. If warriors are getting rage when hitting shields, we should be getting mana from JoW

[generalanders]

That was the case until recently. Warrior rage regeneration was fixed (3.1 maybe?) so that they now generate rage when their damage is absorbed.

Nope... this has always been and is still a major problem for warriors.

Edit: I believe the actual "fixed" issue (which was minor in comparison) was that prot warriors in PvE who had absorb shields up, wouldn't generate rage from incoming damage.

[Lyese]

Have an ally purge/dispel off the shield(s)? Cleanse only takes ~180 mana per cast, and you shouldn't be running yourself oom defensively casting. I'd suggest sticking with SoB/M glyph and popping DP every cd. You have teammates for a reason, and if shields/buffs are a big problem, make friends with a shaman or priest.

[nwo]

Cleanse only takes ~180 mana per cast, and you shouldn't be running yourself oom defensively casting.

You certainly would against PMR. You will pretty much have something to cleanse 99-100% of the time, so it can oom you pretty quick.

@ OP, this issue has been brought up many times since 3.0 and yet Blizzard has done nothing to fix this, I guess they just like it the way it is.

[Lyese]

You certainly would against PMR. You will pretty much have something to cleanse 99-100% of the time, so it can oom you pretty quick.

@ OP, this issue has been brought up many times since 3.0 and yet Blizzard has done nothing to fix this, I guess they just like it the way it is.

Well, that's one reason why we keep losing to RMP.......

/sweatdrop

[Whoopzz]

Nope... this has always been and is still a major problem for warriors.

Edit: I believe the actual "fixed" issue (which was minor in comparison) was that prot warriors in PvE who had absorb shields up, wouldn't generate rage from incoming damage.

I believe you're wrong. It was fixed a patch or two ago for rage generation against shields. I'm posting from work on my Iphone, otherwise I'd find and link the blue post.

[Iniquity]

Have an ally purge/dispel off the shield(s)? Cleanse only takes ~180 mana per cast, and you shouldn't be running yourself oom defensively casting. I'd suggest sticking with SoB/M glyph and popping DP every cd. You have teammates for a reason, and if shields/buffs are a big problem, make friends with a shaman or priest.

And not everyone wanna play with a shaman / priest or have the possibility to do so.
I think it's quite ignorant to suggest such a thing.

And 180 mana? It's more about 236. Which is a big difference.
And if you think you won't get oom against a priest / mage team by dispelling wether it's 2on2 or 3on3, then you clearly don't know anything about retri palas in arena. And by not dispelling, you are making it even worse.

Get to the mage, frostbited and you dispell 4-5times, which is about 1000mana.
Then you go and get no mana return from judging. It hurts, alot.

[Ziggy109]

I believe you're wrong. It was fixed a patch or two ago for rage generation against shields. I'm posting from work on my Iphone, otherwise I'd find and link the blue post.

Warriors don't gain rage from hitting targets with absorb shields up. The only thing that's changed is that warriors do get rage from being hit when an absorb shield is up on themselves.

[Lyese]

And not everyone wanna play with a shaman / priest or have the possibility to do so.
I think it's quite ignorant to suggest such a thing.

And 180 mana? It's more about 236. Which is a big difference.
And if you think you won't get oom against a priest / mage team by dispelling wether it's 2on2 or 3on3, then you clearly don't know anything about retri palas in arena. And by not dispelling, you are making it even worse.

Get to the mage, frostbited and you dispell 4-5times, which is about 1000mana.
Then you go and get no mana return from judging. It hurts, alot.

Ignorance is thinking you're the only person on a team against 3 opponents. If these things are such a big problem, then adapt to them. Dispellers are powerful in arena.

You are right about that, though. I admitted I misplayed when I didn't spam Cleanse EVERY cd. I clearly do know something about synergy, at least, and I doubt not cleansing nonstop against 1 team comp in 1 team bracket (nevermind 5's/2's) totally invalidates any/all play experience I have. Here was my justification...

Mage debuffs are applied upon the spell hitting. In addition to whatever other debuffs there are, that's a lot of trash debuffs to wade through. At least priests chew through 2 at a time. Spamming cleanse eats globals and means that I'm left with autoswings against two barrier classes. I'll admit I prolly could've helped out my teammates a bit more, but to do so nonstop would take me nearly completely out of the fight, which is close enough to effective cc.

I'll admit, not getting mana through an absorbed judgement is pretty lame, especially now that they've reworked some of the absorb mechanic interactions, but so far Blizz hasn't really said much about it. I'm thinking it's working as intended. =/

[Xetrov]

Warriors don't gain rage from hitting targets with absorb shields up. The only thing that's changed is that warriors do get rage from being hit when an absorb shield is up on themselves.

WRONG.
They DO receive rage when hitting targets with shields. Don't post wrong information if you don't know shit about it.
On topic: Yes, that would be great to have...

[Ziggy109]

WRONG.
They DO receive rage when hitting targets with shields. Don't post wrong information if you don't know shit about it.
On topic: Yes, that would be great to have...

Do you even play a warrior? The only time you'll get rage from hitting a shielded target is if your swing breaks the shield and the excess damage spills over to their health.