Why cant we win in 2's...

[elseagoat]

Oh and, Get a good spec. Go to arena junkies and look at the top DKs, check out their Unholy specs, (dont play as frost, unholy is easier to get used to and less gear dependent.) Do what they do.

Use pestilence to get death runes, but use your best judgement. Obviously if you are attacking a DPS while the healer is cycloned, and you want a kill, you want to do damage to them so you would blood strike instead.

There is no rotation in PvP, and there isnt really one in PvE either unless you are Blood. DKs are a very dynamic DPS class and the best attack to use isnt determined by a single factor, but multiple. Just scourge strike over and over, apply diseases when you need to, and spread them to all targets for more pressure on their healer.

You aren't playing a ret paladin, so you dont just judgement crusader strike divine storm over and over in some specific order, you manage your rune cooldowns and diseases to set up burst damage and be aware of what is going on around you to know when to use each of your many cooldowns.

Try and queue during times when most other geared players arent. A good time to do this is on monday night, before tuesday, when all the trade channel arena pugs do arenas for points with wacked out comps and bad players.

Duel often when your partner isnt on and you are waiting around or not doing anything. This is the best way to learn how other classes work in PvP and how best to react, duels may not be indicative of how a class plays exactly in arenas, but you will get an idea of how their abilities work and improve your reaction time and understanding of how to deal with these abilities. Duel good players. Lose a lot. Think about what you did wrong and how that player might have played differently when your resto druid and his partner is thrown into a 2v2 setting. Ask him why you lost and if he has any insight on what could have been done better. If they call you a scrub and talk shit, move on to the next guy that is willing to offer insight as to why he kicked your ass.

By dueling a lot, I have learned how to deathgrip a rogue right when he vanishes, breaking him out of stealth instantly. Little tricks like this can win arena matches or sway them heavily in your favor. So duel a lot, and learn from them. Don't kick the same player's ass over and over, fight players better geared and better skilled than you. Fight frost mages. Learn when it is appropriate to strangulate to save your ass (when the mage can just ice block it) and when it is appropriate to use it offensively to keep the mage from escaping your onslaught of scourge strikes. These are just examples.

Good luck and I wish you the best. Don't pay attention to the nerds on these forums, just keep practicing and gearing up, and when you can't play, read about it and make sure you are making the right gear choices and the right decisions in arena. Practice and communication, and you will get better.

[Cerberuz]

Um, in arena? Yeah. You make exceptions to snare/peel/silence people as needed but generally yes you want to follow a somewhat steady rotation.

Yep. Was referring to those situations. Rotation would be something like, apply diseases-> spam SS/oblit/FS/DC. lol

For ze haterz, I still would love to see armory links before you flame=)

[elseagoat]

Yep. Was referring to those situations. Rotation would be something like, apply diseases-> spam SS/oblit/FS/DC. lol

For ze haterz, I still would love to see armory links before you flame=)

In an arena you should be managing things so quickly, swapping targets, tossing a chains of ice on your focus target, deathgripping focus, blowing runes on other abilities other than damaging ones, that really if you are sitting on a target long enough to get a "rotation" going of any sort you aren't playing dynamically enough to win.

You should almost always be expending frost runes and unholy runes refreshing diseases against dispellers, frost runes to peel for your partner, blood runes to silence, ect. If you are sitting on a target long enough to just do a rotation on em and you aren't doing anything else, you are making your team extremely easy to counter.

The only thing you need to know about a rotation anyways, is that you should have at least Blood Plague up before doing a Scourge Strike (well, Blood Plague + Ebon Plague). Other than that, there is no particular order that you should attack players in. Sometimes it is even good to not attack a player for a bit, to get 2 frost and 2 unholy runes up for a quick double scourge strike on demand burst. Bursts of damage are often more difficult for healers to manage than you just training a target over and over using some rotation doing steady damage output on a single target.

[Lucky_]

IMO, for all the guys who are trash-talking here, please post your armory link rather than making derogatory remarks on others.

You'll have to understand something here, those of us who actually know how to play and are decent enough usually don't get bent over someone being bad - it's the points we can farm on those people. In fact, when somebody comes out asking for help, good players who do bother to read and post will usually come with something reasonably constructive to help.

Those who enrage and go for personal insults are usually people whom players like OP can beat - because they are just that bad. At having problems beating them in game, they get off on insulting them on the forums - this grants them a feeling of distinct superiority, despite often being inferior at best.

As a certain someone put it in another thread, DK whine isn't about DKs being OP. It's about inertia, feeling like being a part of the the big group, and feeling that whenever they lose to one, it's not that they are bad, it's just that DK is some sort of an overpowered killing machine. We all do that to an extent, but it's typically the worst among us that take it to the extreme seen in this thread - because they are the one with the most frustration fueling the rage.


On topic, at OP: Practice. Figure out what works and what doesn't. As horrible as L2P acronym sounds, this is really the place for it - you need to learn how to play the comp. Until you do, you will have problems like those you mentioned as a beginner and many others.

Practice. Learn from mistakes, learn from successes. Adapt.