is 3,2 a nerf??

[Adamson]

Every class doesn't have enough to burst down healers at the moment.

No one should be able to. If one class could bring down a healer themselves then every arena team would be double dps teams.

[starwarriors]

The whole point about healers is... umm... they can heal pretty well ya know? You aren't supposed to be able to wipe healers down.

Tell me what then? i got 1 spell CC vs druids... and if i cant down him and i surely cant wait for his mana to run out[inervate anyone?! and i cant wait 20 mins for his mana to run out lolz] what else then kiling him i can do? run away? leave the arena? leave the bg? alt+f4? seriosly.. we only have dmg atm... a CC that has 40 or 1 min CD is NOT a CC.

p.s. speaking about 2 vs 2 .

[Khevis]

2s have always been overrated, and I'm glad Blizz is doing something to maybe get less peple to eye focus on solely it. I swear most of the crying in arenas I hear IS 2s and it's a shitty model IMO - there's no fun in it, and hardly anyone else to hit. I may as well be dueling at that point.

As for ret's place? I doubt it's as big a nerf as everyone seems to imply. SoV/Cor change is probably a bug, as Blizz has already laid out what they want from it to begin with in the Q&Z - that it should eb used in boss fights for Ret. (Since you' A) be able to actually stack it without it dying by #5, and B) the double damage via crit.) Just because it's been a tanking seal this long doesn't mean it has to remain that way. If anything it means tankadins can up the threat output better (across multiple via hammer if they 'fix' it) and that ret has another tool choice. Also, you mgiht not BURST away with enw Command, but you do get consistent proccing instead for a smidge over half. I don't think command's proc rate was 1 out of 2, so you SHOULD see more damage outgoing using command in PVP. Aside, SoV/COr won't help in PVP if you have a good cleanser since the dot is a magic effect. Use command, probably better for your health.

Also to those QQing over the Ardent change, you realize that heal gear on a prot build will cause them tor es with next to nothing health right? If you're base def capped (400) you get no bonuses. The only way you see most of the bonus (or all) is being PvE tank geared and def capped v. raid bosses. (aka 540) And trust me, to def cap AND maintain a good mana pool/healing... is nigh impossible. And if they stack a little, they're likely going to be dead shortly after res. Hell it says nothing for the state of their mana pool on res, so they may as well not have any. Anyone check that part? But the Ardent change basing the heal on def cap was done because of holy gear on prot build 'abuse' - Blizz already addressed that concern, and aside... 90% of prot geared healing sucks. 3 HL and boom, no mana. And heaven forbid we try to heal with Divine Plea up. *Snrk*

[FiveDkp]

I think everyone is freaking out about Holy. Sure, you're losing a shit-ton of regen from Illumination. You're also getting a lot more Mp5. Is it going to balance out and let you keep spamming HL on an MT for 12 minutes? No. That's the point. You'll still be able to MT heal, you just won't be able to do it while macro'ing HL to every key and rolling your face across the keyboard.

It's not the end of the world, it's just a change to your playstyle.

More Myths.
Gees do you guys actually play Holy Paladins?
I need Innervates and DP every CD, Arcane Torrent, Replenishment and any other mana restoring ability to get myself full mana on algalon (tank healing intensive fight). I oom before druids, Disc priests do. HM Thorim and Steelbreaker is the same story. You can't use FoL in a HL build however some paladins will switch to FoL Prot/Holy for the HoT.
a 12k Fol normal can turn into a 21.8k fol crit with 4 set t9 which is a 43.6k HOT for 12 seconds. If you can hit for 10k fols, you can get 12k with Avenging wrath

[arxidia]

More Myths.
Gees do you guys actually play Holy Paladins?
I need Innervates and DP every CD, Arcane Torrent, Replenishment and any other mana restoring ability to get myself full mana on algalon (tank healing intensive fight). I oom before druids, Disc priests do. HM Thorim and Steelbreaker is the same story. You can't use FoL in a HL build however some paladins will switch to FoL Prot/Holy for the HoT.
a 12k Fol normal can turn into a 21.8k fol crit with 4 set t9 which is a 43.6k HOT for 12 seconds. If you can hit for 10k fols, you can get 12k with Avenging wrath

i think ure doing something wrong

[iktankniet]

i think ure doing something wrong

its the same with our holy paladins. they also lack of mana in hard mode fights.

i repeat, hard mode fights.

[Bharzaros]

1. Ok, the Seal not proccing on every hit(instead of only on white swings) would be a huge nerf so ofc its a bug. Stop crying like a baby before live is here.

2. If you still think you are surposed to go to an arena and kill the other teams healer on your own, your are SERIOUSLY too stupid to be alowed in a arena. As SO many have said, and will always say, this game is not 1 vs 1. Killing the other team, no matter if you are in 2s, 3s or 5s are surposed to be a teamwork, thats why you aint in there alone you know. I do understand that you want to oneshot everyrithing but then you should play Counterstrike in stead and learn to Headshot! everything that moves. THis is just not your game then.

3. Ret is not nerfed, they get buffed in Pve damage(and yes, it IS a buff!) because of the way Seal of Veangence/Corruption works in 3.2.(again, dont listen to the bug reports) Pvp is an increase in damage but lowering of burst(yes again!) and you will now have to watch for procs of the new The Art of War talent that will make your Exosism instant(and if you do your research it now has 1.5 sec cast but can be used on other players again)... Like most other classes, this means that Retri is at last actually starting to require some attention to the game... Say what you want, but retri will be in a GREAT place in 3.2.

4. Holy wont die, you just have to think different. Yes... that require you to rethink your gear and talents, if that is too hard try ask a Priest healer how they felt after 3.0, maybe that will learn you that Blizzard is not this bad evil bastard that ruin your game, but actually tell you to grow up and learn.

I had this wierd talk with a Holy pal on our server, he was so QQing on General in SW that he was going to get "uber nerfed" in 3.2, i just told him to rethink his gear and try get some Mp5 for a start and he went cracy yelling that Paladins used Int and only int matters....

Blizzard is growing, some players will just stay young.

[Bharzaros]

Even i have become wiser now, the Seal of veangence ah actually surposed to only stack up on white swings but the 33% holy dam is surposed to work on CS and DS aswell, which atm it isnt on Ptr so only white swings gets the 33%... so indeed the Ptr Seal of Veangence/Corruption IS bugged on Ptr.

Go read this
http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=84312.0

[FiveDkp]

its the same with our holy paladins. they also lack of mana in hard mode fights.

i repeat, hard mode fights.

Thanks

[FiveDkp]

4. Holy wont die until you get 4 piece t9, you just have to think different. Yes... that require you to rethink your gear and talents, if that is too hard try ask a Priest healer how they felt after 3.0, maybe that will learn you that Blizzard is not this bad evil bastard that ruin your game, but actually tell you to grow up and learn.

Fixed your point because Prot/Holy's FoL Hot will own for tank healing than holy.

[Varaben]

hi.. im not a ret pally but i play with one in my 2v2 as ret/druid..im the druid
i have 0 experience at playing RET so i want to ask you guys

is 3,2 a nerf overall for PVP??(ARENA 2v2 that is)..if yes,how much of a nerf and why??

pls keep it civilized and thank you in advance

Thanks for clearin that up. When yo usaid you were not a ret pally, but you played with one as ret/druid, I was not sure what class you played. Also, just tell your partner to get on the ptr and test. Also, who cares about 2v2 in 3.2 anyway?

[Iniquity]

As others have said, they're lowering the Paladin's insane initial burst in exchange for higher DPS.

Retardadins will see a damage decrease. Everyone else will be able to work with it.

Insane initial burst? Are YOU insane?

I could count serveral classes that have more burst. But I won't since I want you to think about how stupid that was... "insane" jikes... makes me mad.

[Deleted]

I think everyone is freaking out about Holy. Sure, you're losing a shit-ton of regen from Illumination. You're also getting a lot more Mp5. Is it going to balance out and let you keep spamming HL on an MT for 12 minutes? No. That's the point. You'll still be able to MT heal, you just won't be able to do it while macro'ing HL to every key and rolling your face across the keyboard.

It's not the end of the world, it's just a change to your playstyle.

Its a sad day when the most niched healer gets our strongest reason to be brought to raids cut in half... For instance, we went into freyas trashroom the other day... We were 3 pallies and 1 druid healing and like 1dps afk aswell as a healer... And we went splat! all 3 pallies were spamming HL on those sleeping dps... earlier we use to have only 1 pally and 2priest and 2 druids and we just faceroll over it, sleeping even more.

I know I know sleeping fellas deserve to die, but point is nerfing our healing output (no more HL spam, no more gearing for crit and haste) means less glyph proccs and less healing. Its a nerf allover and at best the situational bacon will notmake us better healers as the 1+1=3 thinking ghostcrawler was doing...

[Aniria22]

i think ure doing something wrong

i think you dont know anything about paladins. They are both right.

[FiveDkp]

i think you dont know anything about paladins. They are both right.

Thanks again.
Anywho if you want to tell me what i'm doing wrong, My armoury is right down there
btw alt + 131 will get the â

[Aniria22]

Thanks again.
Anywho if you want to tell me what i'm doing wrong, My armoury is right down there
btw alt + 131 will get the â

your armory link is wrong btw.

[FiveDkp]

your armory link is wrong btw.

I can't fix it, it seems
keeps showing ' as something else
and the â as something else
maybe just copy and paste the url or something.. :\
Its really bugging me.

[iktankniet]

I can't fix it, it seems
keeps showing ' as something else
and the â as something else
maybe just copy and paste the url or something.. :\
Its really bugging me.

copy this url and put it in your signature:

Armory

[shishio]

the white attack nerf is real. So now what? Should i start gearing up for holy PVP ?

[FiveDkp]

I have really no idea how to explain it....
12 seconds before you can do some actual dps kinda sucks