is 3,2 a nerf??

[Piscesthepally]

The only thing insane about our burst is how insanely easy you can heal through it anyways.

[FiveDkp]

In Arena its difficult, Ret scales with the classes that it is with.

[Ronark]

the white attack nerf is real. So now what? Should i start gearing up for holy PVP ?

Yes please. Leave the DPS to the people who will learn how to work around this and not re-roll everytime there is a roadblock.

[FiveDkp]

Well, Ronark will you still call me a reroller if i respecced into Prot for TBtL to do better healing?

[Ronark]

Well, Ronark will you still call me a reroller if i respecced into Prot for TBtL to do better healing?

;D

[FiveDkp]

It'll last when i get T9 4 set and until they hotfix nerf Tbtl into the ground.

[goetz401]

Uhm, listen.. I'm really really not in Holy and not expert in it at all. But still, you're overreacting, it'll never be dead. Stacking gems other than Intellect and watching your button smashing a lil bit more doesn't kill a class.

Only thing that I heard about is the FoL Hot on SS being overridden by second FoL that will reset the hot.. but class dead? I think you are really, overreacting. Just like the guy above who was like "PVP NERFED NO BURST ZOMG" sigh~

People..

if you aren't a raiding holy paladin on live and haven't tested it on the ptr, you really don't have any say here. your choice of words like "i heard" and "im really not in holy" should be support enough for the argument that you should not be posting about it.

i can tell you all that the type of healing everyone is expecting holy paladins to be doing amazingly well won't be sustainable. the hps won't be sustainable, the mana pool won't be sustainable, and there isn't any synergy between the new buffs.

[FiveDkp]

I'd say live with the nerfs until you get t9 4 set, You'll love it from then

[goetz401]

I'd say live with the nerfs until you get t9 4 set, You'll love it from then

+100% to the fol/ss hot?

[goetz401]

if its the +100% to the hot you are talking about, i dont think that will help. if anything that just reinforces our intense niche. that hot also produces problems with the new beacon. if there is one tank, you are either not going to be taking advantage of the hot or you are not going to be taking advantage of beacon. also, ss still doesn't stack, so we basically just got rid of one deep holy talent stacking issue but inherited a new stacking issue. the hot won't make up for the lost hps from using less holy light. this is just more garbage designed to keep holy paladins effective healing far below the other healers.

[FiveDkp]

28/43/0

You might figure what talent i'm hinting at.
(Yes, you'll love stacking spell power and going FoL Spec)

[goetz401]

28/43/0

You might figure what talent i'm hinting at.
(Yes, you'll love stacking spell power and going FoL Spec)

what reputable raiding guild would let you raid like that?

[Kyrottas]

what reputable raiding guild would let you raid like that?

My reputable raiding guild on Stormscale doesn't mind me using unorthodox builds for certain fights as a Resto Shaman.

What's different about Paladin?
Who knows may the Prot Holy thing will work out better

[goetz401]

it might be ok for a few odd fights, but you are gimping yourself overall by going that route.

[FiveDkp]

i suggest you try out this prot holy build with 4 piece T9 and full spell power.
Name what i'm gimping by speccing 28/43?

Wow i lose beacon, infusion of light, light's grace, enlightened judgements, divine illumination...

As Prot Holy you only use flash, you get spiritual attunement, bigger fol ticks, stam to sp conversion being more than holy guidance, ardent defender if you are willing to risk it .

You still keep divine favor, illumination, healing light etc.

[FiveDkp]

Main problems is obviously the haste option because fol will be 1.5 sec cast but can crit for loads.

[goetz401]

also holy shock, holy power, enlightened judgements and you'll also be going without aura mastery or imp loh or imp wisdom. all so you can have bigger flash of lights? why? you'll have the same success keeping tanks up going full holy but instead of being worthless at anything else you'll actually be somewhat valuable. giving up so much versatiliy and ability all so you can be just a tank healer is not worth it at all. your hps potential will drop through the floor without fast holy lights which are somtimes needed in emergencies. you'd have less effective healing than a disc priest.

you have about 20 completely wasted talent points in prot and the rest are just ok. any argument that ardent defender or more hp/resistance is worth sacrificing healing talents for is bunk when you can survive without them.

well that might fly if you are running with 7 healers in easy content, but if you are doing anything hard you'd be extra baggage. all of that single target healing will just be overheal if you have a druid, normal holy paladin, disc priest, resto shaman or any mix of the above in your group.

most of all i'm just shocked you'd choose a style that is even more niche that what a holy paladin already is. you'd choose even less buttons to spam. you'd choose even less mobility. why? to do something that paladins are already arguably the best at in a wierder slightly better way? this just shows the state of holy paladins. no one wants the garbage in deep holy or the bandaged synergy between spells.

[FiveDkp]

Are you really that nub.
28/43
YOU CAN STILL GET ALL THOSE TALENTS.

[goetz401]

Are you really that nub.
28/43
YOU CAN STILL GET ALL THOSE TALENTS.

when you say all those talents, you mean almost none of those talents right? did you look at the spec yourself?

this is what 28 in holy looks like:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAzg00sc

like i said, you dont have holy shock, you dont have enlightened judgements, and i'll clarify that holy power isnt maxed and you have to chose how to place 3 points between aura mastery, imp loh, imp wisdom, or even imp conc aura. not too mention you dont have all the talents you already listed in beacon, infusion of light, lights grace, divine illumination and judgements of the pure. what you would be losing in the holy tree outweigh what you would be gaining in the prot tree (l-o-fkin-l).

so my question is, why would you gimp your abilities so badly just to have an improved flash of light?

edit- one good thing about ulduar is that it has utilized many more of the holy and early prot talents than in naxx which for me was very refreshing. aura mastery, divine guardian, divine illumination, 40 yard judgements and so on have all been integral to some of the unique fights in ulduar.

[FiveDkp]

You can get aura mastery......

Flash of light doesnt need much haste...
Needs more spell power which TBTL gives.
You also get Ardent Defender (will prevent leapfrog) which you enchant 22 def and heal 22 (basically unlikely to die from using hand of sac with no bubble or Bop).
Flash of Light Hot scales insanely with t9 4 set.
i've heard of 8-10k crits which is a 20k hot. They are VERY good single target hps and its sustainable unlike the new 3.2 holy light setup (Impossible to sustain for more than 2-3 mins)
Also the main judgements you want up is light or wisdom which a prot or ret could put up.
Divine Guardian is a prot talent, You can get that lol....
Then again DS is fixed next patch (damage still calcs regardless if you have a bubble on or not)

P.S - Your talent spec is a BIG MISREPRESENTATION of the prot holy build.
Prot holy doesnt use hs or HL, just FoL. So you'd get imp wisdom, Maybe blessed hands. You can shave off a point in divine intellect because you don't need much regen for FoL.