Is retri even worth playing after the patch?

[Kufelina]

As the title says. Is it even worth it? (In pvp)
Can anyone who has played alot of ptr please tell me. I dont understand a shit about the patch notes.

[Ronark]

As the title says. Is it even worth it?
Can anyone who has played alot of ptr please tell me. I dont understand a shit about the patch notes.

For FOTM's no. Reroll druid.

[Azharok]

For FOTM's no. Reroll druid.

QFT.

Flush out all the scrubs from this spec. Let's go back to having only a handful of good Ret on every server. Tired of seeing every guy and their sister roll Ret.... and doing it wrong.

[mapp]

ret is fine... i don't understand why everyone QQ'd

[Evanel]

As the title says. Is it even worth it? (In pvp)
Can anyone who has played alot of ptr please tell me. I dont understand a shit about the patch notes.

not for you sadly. might as well re-roll to a different game if you cant even understand patch notes. Whats not to understand they tell you things you should already know about your class are being changed.

Fail.

[Sunstrikeisretlawl]

As the title says. Is it even worth it? (In pvp)
Can anyone who has played alot of ptr please tell me. I dont understand a shit about the patch notes.

As anyone here may tell you...it may less front loaded, huge crits, etc, when it comes to damage output. But we gain other strengths, and honestly, it fits my defensive play style better than 3.0 until now has been promoting. Sacred shield hots, and art of war being up most of the time really help with the healing. Plus having Crusader Strike up much more often helps out when you have those moments when all cd's are down and the opposing team's healer is at 3% and auto attack has 2 more seconds to swing, and bam, back to 50% because I had no more attacks available (rarely, but it happens ><). From all my PTR playing I preferred it. Most people don't share my view on here though, as has been shown in a lot of previous posts I've made. Indirectly, the resil changes actually help us, helping us be even more self reliable than we already are. PTR testing in skirms, I was basically keeping myself up through a mut rogue with art of war with no healer to support me. You can look at the resil change however as a double edged sword. Where on one hand we become extremely hard to kill because of it, so do the multitudes of healers, that we already had some difficulty killing. If you use SoC and the glyph though, you should at least be able to out mana them, lol. Fun times.

[Kufelina]

not for you sadly. might as well re-roll to a different game if you cant even understand patch notes. Whats not to understand they tell you things you should already know about your class are being changed.

Fail.

You cant avoid these idiots on forums cant you?

[yor7]

Yea ! Thats the spirit! Lets hope you will quit playing a paladin along with the scums who rerolled one just to get carried by the class.

[Deleted]

Well i decided that after i readed the officel patch notes (3.2), that this day will be my last play-day in WoW. I just got enough of all the nerf my retridin is getting, it's feels like getting kicked in the nuts (specielt PvP). They are... Not good, but fine/O.K in PvE, but they definitely need more love, than hate. It's clear that Blizzard not have taken any time to redesign the game corretly, and they should listen more to the people... And how easy is this getting? I mean seriously.. It's possible to be fully epic the same day you ding 80.

Goodbye WoW
Welcome FallOut3! Ohh yaa!

[Varaben]

As the title says. Is it even worth it? (In pvp)
Can anyone who has played alot of ptr please tell me. I dont understand a shit about the patch notes.

if you dont understand the patch notes (implying you are unable to read?) then you are probably in no danger of ever being good at ret in any case so the answer to your question is irrelevant. /thread

[shoju]

I love it when people get all righteous on someone on the forums about this.

I was on the PTR. I got to mess around with the changes as they added them in.

If you are looking to be bursty and OP and get by with facerolling, it's not going to happen. What the other ret paladin says in his sig is partly true.

Ret LOSES DPS on anything that isn't a stand and deliver type of fight. It's fact. How much you lose is going to be based around how good you are, but on most fights in uld, you are going to lose about 10% of your DPS on most fights.

The only fights in Uld that you wont lose DPS on are:

Ignis
Auraiya (if you don't kill the feral defender - not sure how this works in 25 man, but in 10 man we don't even bother killing him anymore)
Hodir (if you don't break out the NPC's and let others do it)
Vezax (non hard mode)

Other than that, you will lose DPS. You will need to get used to running SOR on trash and fights where LoLstorm matters, as well as most heroics.

SoComm is bad. Terrible. Horrible. IF you put a point in it, EVERYONE will laugh at you.

From what I saw in the new raid, It's a DPS loss in there as well.

Essentially what they did was make it so that Paladins lose significant DPS by switching targets. This was a nerf influenced by PVP that is crushing PVE.

If people can't understand that, then they don't understand what happened, and didn't play the PTR recently.

I want to reroll really bad in light of the changes. Mainly because I'm tired of playing a spec that is such a roller coaster ride all the time. I'm tired of the "paladin DPS is too low" and then getting gutted. I'm tired of being made OP so that everyone is a giant loser when talking to me just because of my class. I'm tired of people looking at me in Dal and saying that I'm a faceroller when they don't know me. I have an 80 mage ready to go, but being dual specc'd as healer is crucial in my small 10 man guild, so I wont be re-rolling.

TLR - Play it. See if you can stomach it until they fix it. If you can't then re-roll, and don't listen to the blowhards on this or the official board.

[Arcilux]

If you have to ask, then no, it isn't worth playing.

I personally pay $15 a month to have fun and enjoy myself. I greatly enjoy playing a pally so I will continue to do so. If all you want is to always win at PvP then you are playing the wrong game. I have beaten every class and been beaten by every class. All classes have strengths, all classes have weaknesses.

YOU are the one paying for the game(unless you are a kid or otherwise mommy-dependent), play to have fun. If you want to "win", go back to gameboy with a gameshark or pokemon blue with item dup cheats. Otherwise, play the game the way it was meant to be played, pick a class that you enjoy and learn to play that class as best as possible.

[Sunstrikeisretlawl]

It's clear that Blizzard not have taken any time to redesign the game corretly, and they should listen more to the people... And how easy is this getting? I mean seriously.. It's possible to be fully epic the same day you ding 80.

rofl, Yeah, that's the reason to quit, because pixels are "easy to acquire." Not like there isn't endless grinding for the good stuff honestly. About the redesign, how (PvP wise) could making people who choose the resil stat not be rewarded? I have been literally destroyed by paladins with no arena teams, and full pve gear, just because I was three shot using 833 resil. No, I don't have screenshots, but why would I make myself look "bad" if it wasn't true, lol. They are making PvP better as a whole, sorry if you don't like that arena won't last ~70 seconds, and that you can't destroy anything within your initial hammer. "...they should listen to more of the people," More people are not the slim margin of people who feel they "deserve" their pixels over others, and especially not the few that go "I don't like your game Blizzard, fix it, or I'll quit." They still make money no matter how disgruntled you feel, sorry. Buh Bye. Enjoy Fallout, it's pretty awesome.

What the other ret paladin says in his sig is partly true.

I love you...

[darthceltic]

come live if rets go from 5.5kdps to 5kdps in same gear in raids, it won't take long for them to hotfix the bonus u get from 5 stacks to more. they will never fix the burst damage again, so yeah, pvp nerf is major, but then again pvp is horrible and ptless.

[shoju]

You love me even though we disagree?

Wow... I was all "getting ready for a throw down"...

Or did I misunderstand?

[Sunstrikeisretlawl]

You love me even though we disagree?

Wow... I was all "getting ready for a throw down"...

Or did I misunderstand?

Nah, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I don't really troll unless I have some statement that needs to be let out.

Just glad someone acknowledged it, it got a quite a good response when I posted it after the 3.0 hotfixes on these same forums.

[Hypnotik]

ret pallies are still good...

[Adamson]

ret pallies are still good...

Except at multiple target fights >.>

[shoju]

Nah, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I don't really troll unless I have some statement that needs to be let out.

Just glad someone acknowledged it, it got a quite a good response when I posted it after the 3.0 hotfixes on these same forums.

OK. Part of my loathing for SoComm could be absolute abhorrence for PVP. Though... I leveled as Prot on a PVP server, so I might have an overly biased loathing for PVP.

And to the person who says that they will hotfix it, don't count on it. A lot of us have FLOODED them with parses, links to SS's of numbers. The threads get deleted when the QQ gets to be too much, and they dont' even acknowledge the data. PVE is looking painful for Ret's, especially those of us in 10 mans where group synergy can be even more significant towards our Raid DPS than a 25 man.

[lifelessdruid]

from what I've heard, the changes present a dps increase, although not an initial one - in other words, it's not "oh, the paladin got to me, I'm screwed no matter what" anymore. From a pve standpoint, it means you get to glyph for 10 expertise, and every non - holy paladin will be throwing stacks on, so it should be up pretty fast, unless you're the only melee paladin in the raid. And honestly, if you're worried about pvp you should be more worried about almost never being able to use repentance on your target, now that you're a dot reliant class :P