rated bg, honor titles, arena points via BG...

[qsubt05]

11:31 - Rated BGs: BGs and Arena gameplay are different. Both are different forms of PvP and both appeal to different types of players.
11:31 - Rated BGs: an alternative way to get arena points.
Rated BGs: an avenue for fun gruops/guild activites with unique rewards
11:32 - There will be a weekly featured rated BG.
They want to get as many people as possible into a small queue. Player's shouldn't have to wait.
If it is AB weekend, then for that entire week, the featured BG for rated matches will be AB.
This will help keep the gameplay changing, and not stagnent.
[IMG TO COME: Mockup of what the Rated PVP BG UI will look like]
11:34 - How does it work? You win a BG, you gain rating. You also will gain arena points.
We'll limit the number of points you can gain in a week, based on your rating the previous week. The reason we're putting a limit on it so it doesn't become a grind fest.
We're limiting you in terms of how much PvP gear you can get in a week.
11:36 - If you lose a BG, no rating loss! (but no points)
We think it'd be crappy if you got into a group that wasn't very good, so we don't want to punish you for that.
11:37 - You'll have two ratings, your personal rating and your match making rating, just like the arenas.
[IMG TO COME: BG UI mockup. WOW! It looks really really cool!]
END OF SEASON RANK: Lieutenant General. Looks like they're bringing back titles!
Return of the honor titles!
Big applause!
At the end of the season we'll rate players based on their rating and they'll get titles.
You'll get access to special epic ground mounts that you can only get through the rated BGs.
You'll also get some "Guild Achievements / Guild Levels" out of rated BGs.



if i understand rigth, its still "old good" BG grind...
win bg, u gain +personal rating and something as mmr
lose bg, u dont lost nothing, just dont gain
== no need skill in BG, die, ress, die, ress...

they limit numbers arena poinst which u gain via BG per week, but dont limit numbers rated BG played... so.. who can play 20hours/day will be "better" than 3hour/day man. because he won 200 from 1000 BG in week, and other win only 30 from 35


or im wrong?

[Xqtr]

Yes you are right, they are basically bringing back the old PvP system they had in vanilla WoW, i don't know if you are familiar with it but basically to get the best PvP gear in vanilla WoW you had to sit and play 4-5 hours of battleground everyday for a month in order to purchase the best gear.

But this is not a bad idea, in the beginning the matches will require no skill, basically ress, die, ress, die, but after a while your mmr rating will go up and you'll be queued with players that also have high mmr and you'll be facing good players with high mmr then i think it will actually be fun.

Yes it will most likely be easier to get good gear than arena since it's only a matter of how much you play and grind, while in arena if you have skill you can play 200 games, get 2.4k rating then play 10 games a week for the rest of the season and still get the best gear but if you don't have skill it doesn't matter how many games you play, you still won't get the best gear.

But this game is all about grinding anyway or am I wrong? you grind rep, you farm gold, you grind honor, you farm emblems, you farm raid instances. Arena gear isn't easy to get anymore since everything require rating, not like in s2 where you could have 1700 rating and still get the best gear. Blizzard tries to cater to everyone so that all players can have fun which imo is a good thing, more choices equals more fun. Personally i think this is awesome, you don't have to search for good players wich is really hard to find and you can get good gear on your own, all you have to do is spend time.

Yes PvE'rs will cry about how easy it is to get that gear cause they had to farm that raid instance and lost a drop 5 times, but not everyone likes to raid or be in a hardcore guild which forces you to play at this and that time, and if you don't you'll get kicked. Getting gear from PvE is the same as farming honor gear, it takes no skill is just takes time. 

[Odoaker]

Do I understand correctly that they reimplement the old pvp titles again? Just reactivate them?
Fuck it, thats bullshit, allready got them, why should i play then?

[Aoek1]

i realy dont have a comment on how i think this new system will work but i just had to come out and say very well said and thank you!

Yes you are right, they are basically bringing back the old PvP system they had in vanilla WoW, i don't know if you are familiar with it but basically to get the best PvP gear in vanilla WoW you had to sit and play 4-5 hours of battleground everyday for a month in order to purchase the best gear.

But this is not a bad idea, in the beginning the matches will require no skill, basically ress, die, ress, die, but after a while your mmr rating will go up and you'll be queued with players that also have high mmr and you'll be facing good players with high mmr then i think it will actually be fun.

Yes it will most likely be easier to get good gear since it's only a matter of how much you play and grind, while in arena if you have you can play 300 games, get 2.5.k rating then play 10 games a week for the rest of the season and still get the best gear, sure it sounds good, but trust me, you are quite bored in the long run.

But this game is all about grinding anyway or am I wrong? you grind rep, you farm gold, you grind honor. Arena gear isn't easy to get anymore since everything require rating, not like in s2 where you could have 1700 rating and still get the best gear. Blizzard tries to cater to everyone so that all players can have fun which imo is a good thing, more choices equal more fun. Personally i think this is awesome, you don't have to search for good players wich is really hard to find and you can get good gear on your own, all you have to do is spend time.

Yes PvE'rs will cry about how easy it is to get that gear cause they had to farm that raid instance and lost a drop 5 times, but not everyone likes to raid or be in a hardcore guild which forces you to play at this and that time, and if you don't you'll get kicked. Getting gear from PvE is the same as farming honor gear, it takes no skill is just takes time.

[Sam]

Do I understand correctly that they reimplement the old pvp titles again? Just reactivate them?
Fuck it, thats bullshit, allready got them, why should i play then?

Ok, you already got them, and? If you think you're too good to do it simply because you got them when they were first out, then by all means don't Q, ever.

[Phlashes]

Do I understand correctly that they reimplement the old pvp titles again? Just reactivate them?
Fuck it, thats bullshit, allready got them, why should i play then?

feel free not to play

[ant1freeze]

Do i get it right. They making rated bg's which will end up like 10 vs 10 big arenas. Where every1 will be premading and you won't be still able to have fun without party ?)
Or will it be like with 5 men premade maximum and where u can enjoy other good players who know what to do without premading?)

[Aoek1]

Do i get it right. They making rated bg's which will end up like 10 vs 10 big arenas. Where every1 will be premading and you won't be still able to have fun without party ?)
Or will it be like with 5 men premade maximum and where u can enjoy other good players who know what to do without premading?)

im pretty sure it will be the same as it has always been but like

Yes you are right, they are basically bringing back the old PvP system they had in vanilla WoW, i don't know if you are familiar with it but basically to get the best PvP gear in vanilla WoW you had to sit and play 4-5 hours of battleground everyday for a month in order to purchase the best gear.

But this is not a bad idea, in the beginning the matches will require no skill, basically ress, die, ress, die, but after a while your mmr rating will go up and you'll be queued with players that also have high mmr and you'll be facing good players with high mmr then i think it will actually be fun.

Yes it will most likely be easier to get good gear than arena since it's only a matter of how much you play and grind, while in arena if you have skill you can play 200 games, get 2.4k rating then play 10 games a week for the rest of the season and still get the best gear but if you don't have skill it doesn't matter how many games you play, you still won't get the best gear.

But this game is all about grinding anyway or am I wrong? you grind rep, you farm gold, you grind honor, you farm emblems, you farm raid instances. Arena gear isn't easy to get anymore since everything require rating, not like in s2 where you could have 1700 rating and still get the best gear. Blizzard tries to cater to everyone so that all players can have fun which imo is a good thing, more choices equals more fun. Personally i think this is awesome, you don't have to search for good players wich is really hard to find and you can get good gear on your own, all you have to do is spend time.

Yes PvE'rs will cry about how easy it is to get that gear cause they had to farm that raid instance and lost a drop 5 times, but not everyone likes to raid or be in a hardcore guild which forces you to play at this and that time, and if you don't you'll get kicked. Getting gear from PvE is the same as farming honor gear, it takes no skill is just takes time.

said the more you do and the more you win you will be placed with people that also win more and by that comparison you will be placed with people that know wtf there doing and you will win more and more games

[Dreadfred]

Yes you are right, they are basically bringing back the old PvP system they had in vanilla WoW, i don't know if you are familiar with it but basically to get the best PvP gear in vanilla WoW you had to sit and play 4-5 hours of battleground everyday for a month in order to purchase the best gear.

You were either on a server with 4 other people or never took part in the honor grind.

[Aoek1]

You were either on a server with 4 other people or never took part in the honor grind.

i agree i only got corporal and i only played for 7-8 hours a day the few that got GM played for around 14-16 hours a day with a dedicated group for a month strait

[Xqtr]

Do i get it right. They making rated bg's which will end up like 10 vs 10 big arenas. Where every1 will be premading and you won't be still able to have fun without party ?)
Or will it be like with 5 men premade maximum and where u can enjoy other good players who know what to do without premading?)

From what i understood from the OP you will basically be queued with randoms that has the same MMR as you do. So i you play a lot of rated BG's and have let's say 2000 MMR(match making rating) you'll be queued with and againt other with the equal MMR rating. I don't know how premades and stuff will work cause they haven't said anything about that yet, but we'll just have to wait and see. I personally don't want to see it ending up like a 10vs10 arena match and you basically just have your 15 man squad premade pwning peoples ass. But i don't think that will happen, because blizzard wants to take focus away from arena and putting more focus on more casual pvp such as BG's but you can still get good gear if you spend time on it.

[Xqtr]

You were either on a server with 4 other people or never took part in the honor grind.

i suppose i made a somewhat underestimation, i never went for GM but i got like rank 10 and that took about 4-5 hours a day of playing, but yes i know the difference between rank 10 and 14 were quite massive. As you said though, depended on what server and how many were trying to get ranks that point. My bad for not getting the facts straight.

[Deleted]

Yes you are right, they are basically bringing back the old PvP system they had in vanilla WoW, i don't know if you are familiar with it but basically to get the best PvP gear in vanilla WoW you had to sit and play 4-5 hours of battleground everyday for a month in order to purchase the best gear.

But this is not a bad idea, in the beginning the matches will require no skill, basically ress, die, ress, die, but after a while your mmr rating will go up and you'll be queued with players that also have high mmr and you'll be facing good players with high mmr then i think it will actually be fun.

Yes it will most likely be easier to get good gear than arena since it's only a matter of how much you play and grind, while in arena if you have skill you can play 200 games, get 2.4k rating then play 10 games a week for the rest of the season and still get the best gear but if you don't have skill it doesn't matter how many games you play, you still won't get the best gear.

But this game is all about grinding anyway or am I wrong? you grind rep, you farm gold, you grind honor, you farm emblems, you farm raid instances. Arena gear isn't easy to get anymore since everything require rating, not like in s2 where you could have 1700 rating and still get the best gear. Blizzard tries to cater to everyone so that all players can have fun which imo is a good thing, more choices equals more fun. Personally i think this is awesome, you don't have to search for good players wich is really hard to find and you can get good gear on your own, all you have to do is spend time.

Yes PvE'rs will cry about how easy it is to get that gear cause they had to farm that raid instance and lost a drop 5 times, but not everyone likes to raid or be in a hardcore guild which forces you to play at this and that time, and if you don't you'll get kicked. Getting gear from PvE is the same as farming honor gear, it takes no skill is just takes time.

IT wont require skill cuz you cant lose rating. :P Just play alot and you get the best shit even if you suck.

[bielza]

sigh.....pvp titles from vanilla wow were the ONE and ONLY thing i hoped they would never ever touch again, well...that didnt happen did it...now every other scrub is going to be walking around with pvp titles

admitedly for them to get high pvp titles there most likely has to be some skill (hopefull) but still its gotta be alot easier than the 6-10 hours a day of grinding honor for months just to get rank 11 : / like you had to do in vanilla and the 14+ hours a day for rank 14

ah well i have my title aslong as they dont remove mine and force me to do it again..im not complainign TO much...more just whimpering :P

[hx9]

This is somewhat disapointing. You'd think it'd be more exicting for people to watch CTF or Capture and Hold than for people to watch 3v3 death match. The way this was presented, it seems like just a sidebar to the "real" pvp competition that is arena.

I hope they seriously consider having good premade teams play each other in tournaments. I would never be in one, but it sure would be a lot more fun to watch.

[Slanyou]

This isnt QQ but

Fooking shite, Yes i know "old players talk lalalala" i hardly ever whine over stuff like this, but taking my Knight Lieuetenant, Seargeant, Seargant Major titles is the worst BS ever, when i read this:

New PvP titles will be added, as your rating progress you will unlock higher titles. If you earned a PvP title you will keep it.

I was hoping new titles, but nono take ours back agian, seriously just give all the brewfest steins/stuff agian so we wont see the difference on vanilla players/catac players, really, this should be untouched, blizz new titles, or imp the old ones.

Yes i know i only got rank 7 or 8 w/e that knight lieu is, but i got friends whom i helped a bit to GM and that farm was unbelieveable, even rank 7+ took alot of BG's a day which is why most only were Seargants, theese feasts is oldschool only, please dont touch them (even tho i dont got em on my new main) I just cant see this being a good thing.

Other than that, whole Catac looks good so far, keep it rushing!

If i have spelled wrong im sorry

[Sett]

This is the only change that makes me sad.

Leave them alone and create new titles.

Just as the two raiding titles for BC show age so do the old PVP ranks. ( Not comparing how easy they are to get or anything. Just talking about character age. )

I don't want to see 'Field Marshal Woofmourne'... The worgen DK. ><

[Fatkid]

I think its really bad that you dont lose ANY rating, couse then you can get really high rating by just win 1/3. it would be better if you won 10 rating, and lose like 5-6 rating, so you still can get high rating by playing much (50&50 win loss) but it goes faster if you win a lot, but the problem then is that if you meet a new premade that you cant win against with the "pug" you lose rating and couldnt do much against it.

[GrieverXIII]

Realy nice .

Looking forward to it.

[Balduvian]

Should have known they can't meassure skill in BG...
Especially when they said you don't lose anything AT ALL when you lose a game but you do win rating when you win one made me sad...

It actually means every retard can get the highest/best items in even a shorter ammount of time then any casual with actual skil. Great, just great. :

About the title's. I won't believe they will be the vanilla titles, and if so, Blizzard will dissapoint TONS of people out there (including Champion Balduvian!) which use their good oldskool title just to show people that they were there, in the good old time of WoW PvP...

I'm hoping for new title's, which is a better option for every possible thinkable scenario...