Casters in BGs, are they doing too much damage?

[Denisé]

Hello MMO.

I recently leveled a warrior, which is now almost full deadly with furious non-set parts. After leveling him and starting PvP again, I have noticed how high the damage of Casters is. Honestly I think it is starting to go out of control. The main problem is the 100% crit chance that most casters have been given along with 100% extra crit damage.
The damage is simply to high and almost impossible to resist. Only option for me is to spam a spelreflect macro, which doesnt help much.

There were alot of talking about Paladins being too bursty, and melee in general, but with the change to melee burst, are Blizzard just placing casters were Paladins used to be?

Or is this just a warrior problem? If it is, I will get used to it.

- Dénise.

[deathbysushi-(-_-)-]

hmmm ( not trying to be mean) but ur in deadly and do you use spell reflect??? that can be helpful if you see a chaos bolt etc.

[Denisé]

I dont understand your question. I do spam a spelreflect macro that puts me in defence stance, equip 1h and shield, and use spelreflect. The problem is that it only last a few secs, and you dont always see those things comming.

[Qarling]

they have a cast bar, you need to be in melee range. pvp isnt balanced around 1v1, and if you let a caster cast, you will die rather quickly. spell reflect, interupt, charge, fear. if you fail to do these, you die. end of story.

/thread

[Tablemaker]

Casters that have these 100% crit abilities... are typically cooldown abilities. Guess what? You have counter measures against these abilities. If you fail to properly counter their attack, you're going to get hurt.

What makes casters so deadly in mass PvP is the fact that many braindeads allow them to stand in the back and unload.

[Bumbl3b33]

A caster that can control melee will always win. For instance, a good frost mage will always beat a warrior simply because they will barely even get touched.

[mireigi]

Casters are not doing too much damage. Actually they not doing enough damage.

All high damage spells require a caster to be staionary while casting, and the spell can usually be interrupted before it goes off.
Melee on the other hand have it way too easy. The only hard thing about being a melee is getting in range to use whatever slowing ability they have. After that is rather easy tbh, they just start spamming their favorite attack(s) without ever having the need to remain stationary to do serious damage or use a reliable CC (Polymorph/Fear/Cyclone).

[anuket]

Yeah casters are doing sooo much damage :

Thanks to resilience my LvB that will crit 11k on a dummy in PvP gear crits a well geared target from 3-5k depending on if they have any defensive CDs up. How out of control :

[Denisé]

I am sorry if some of you took this as a "whine" post. I didnt entend to blame any classes or what so ever. My post didnt concern 1v1 either, since I dont give duels much credit.

Mireigi: Yes melee can seem to have it easier since we have a "auto attack", but being able to fire from long distance is a huge plus. Since I play on warrior, I cant rely on CC, since the only one I have is a fear that breaks on attack. And when it comes to melee range and casters, only Priests and Warlock are those you can actually keep in range, the rest of them have snares and/or the ability to remove slowing abilities.

Tablemaker: You actually caught some of my point, its in open battles I think they can do too much damage. I dont know which "Counter Measures" you are talking about, please let me know if I miss something besides Spelreflect.

I want you people to think about it when you PvP, instead of reacting like this is whining. And maybe help me out if possible.

[Spctro]

Nop they arent.... the rogue eating you from behind is tho

[Renamefailed]

Nop they arent.... the rogue eating you from behind is tho

lots of rogues use DMC death and rocket gloves which I guess is technically not melee dmg so they must be casters amirite?

[Eversor]

Casters are fine. It is perfectly normal for melee classes to be blown to bits from range by them, and it is perfectly fine for casters and ranged to be torn to shreds in melee range. Cause, you know, it makes sense.

Also, casters are just that - casters. With cast time involved. The longer the cast, the bigger the numbers must be in order to make the spell even worth casting. So naturally, you will see large chunks of your health taken out every 2 seconds or so. That's just how the cookie crumbles.

[rathok]

Casters are fine with the exception of destro locks... they hit unbelievably hard. As a healer they are harder to heal through than a rogue w/wound poison just because of how stupidly bursty they. They can do 80% of your HP in dmg in 2 casts+gcd (about 4 seconds). I can tank rets all day... locks need the nurf bat.

[AcidicRage]

Casters are fine with the exception of destro locks... they hit unbelievably hard. As a healer they are harder to heal through than a rogue w/wound poison just because of how stupidly bursty they. They can do 80% of your HP in dmg in 2 casts+gcd (about 4 seconds). I can tank rets all day... locks need the nurf bat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9McMcbXNhYU

[ikeewa]

A bg is a bg ya your in full deadly go up against a caster in full furious or even full t9 pve gear you will die and you have no chance against them as you shouldnt unless they are bad. Bg's are the least unbalanced imo good rets dom bg's all the time i know i do as a ret pally im full furious with all relentless off pieces and relentless wep. when i go into a bg i usally grab zerker and popwings and see how many ppl i can one shot before i have to LoH then kill more then bubble and then kill more i would prolly crit you for almost 10k just from a judgement.

Find a healer to heal bot you it may be a little better besides that wars on there own suck at bg's nuff said

[Kikazz]

i played a lvl 49 twink shaman of my matses and we had three of us in the ally thron room with there flag just camping it there chian lightning everything that came in we rakced up like 200 kills each in one warsong... it isnt hard for casters to get the upper edge when they can mass together and hit 10 or more targets at once... they should nerf snares and with the new removing sp and spirit coming in everyones gonna have 50k+ mana at 80 and be able to hit 5k with a lvl 1 frostbolt....

[Jonisawsom]

Frost mages are often called the counter class to warriors, so don't feel like you are the only one having issues with them (especially frost mages). But in general no, casters are not doing too much damage, in fact it's still the opposite. Melee are the ones topping the charts in most BGs, and have it easier than casters.

[Drunkenfinn]

Pummel, Spell Reflect, Charge, Intercept.

Use them.

Or if you happened to get 3shot in a BG by a Destro Lock / Elemental Shaman you didnt notice untill that last Chaos Bolt / Lava Burst that killed you... Well, I do agree that these 2 casters do pretty friggin much damage if you indeed do let them get casts off.

[ewhenn]

Casters are not doing too much damage. Actually they not doing enough damage.

All high damage spells require a caster to be staionary while casting, and the spell can usually be interrupted before it goes off.
Melee on the other hand have it way too easy. The only hard thing about being a melee is getting in range to use whatever slowing ability they have. After that is rather easy tbh, they just start spamming their favorite attack(s) without ever having the need to remain stationary to do serious damage or use a reliable CC (Polymorph/Fear/Cyclone).

Yes, because all melee have a snare.

[rathok]

Frost mages are often called the counter class to warriors, so don't feel like you are the only one having issues with them (especially frost mages). But in general no, casters are not doing too much damage, in fact it's still the opposite. Melee are the ones topping the charts in most BGs, and have it easier than casters.

frost mages were a COMPLETE counter to warriors.... in vanilla. Times have changed. 1v1 the better player will win.