Holy Pally

[Ternanus]

I am a holy pally, I think my healing is ok, but I want to improve myself can you help?

Heres my specs http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ire&n=Ternanus.

I am 51/5/15

Unbuffed Stats
Bonus Healing 2202
Crit Holy 38.27%
Haste 382 or 11.65%
Mana Regen 298
Mana Pool 23494

[SchickySC]

Armory is down.

What content are you in?

Are you gemming straight intellect?

Respec to 51/20/0 or 51/0/18+2

Raise your haste to 500ish or so depending on full raid buffs.

Your spell power seems fine, im guessing your doing early ulduar content, which explains your low mana pool (aim for 27k+)

[biggredd]

? are you failing as a healer to keep the tanks alive. if so i think it is something you need to work on. also i use the 51/ 20 build and i love it but that does not mean you will your spec is viable. your mana pool is like mine unbuffed and i can heal in ulduar, yes not hard modes yet but one day. i can also heal in toc. so if you can keep the tank alive then good if not then not sure what to tell you.

[thundercles]

Armory was down so I couldn't check for myself.

I'm assuming you're in Naxx/Uld10 gear from your stats. Those don't look too bad.

May I ask what specifically you're looking to improve?
Do you spend more time tank healing or raid healing?
Do you spam HL, FoL, and are you spamming one over the other too much?

Don't focus too much on what healing meters say. Only noobs worry about who is at the top of the healing meter (unless there is significant disparity).
You should expect to be out healed on them by most other healing classes with decent AE heals at your gear level.

I refer to a Biggredd who asked if you're keeping your tanks alive. That's the typical job for raiding holy's.

You spec seems fine. Higher gear levels will mean that you need less crit from talents. Look into speccing into Divine Sacrifice as it is a very useful tool in Hardmode encounters and many 25man bosses.

[Ternanus]

My gear is :-

Head
Judgement Cover (10man) gem +21 crit 23sp Enchant from the kirin Tor.
Shoulder
Liadrin's Spualders of Conquest gem +20 int Enchant Masters inscribtion of the storm.
Back
Drape of the Spellweaver Enchant +23 haste.
Chest
Liadrins's Tunic of Conquest gem x2 20 int Enchant 10+ stats
Wrist
Armbands of the Constructt Enchant +16 int
Hands
Liadrins Gloves of Conquest gem +20 int Enchant +28S7sp
Waist
Girdle of the Frozen Waste gem +10 int 5 mp5
Legs
Liadrin's Greave's of Conquest gem +10 int 5 mp5 12sp 10 crit Enchant +50sp +30 stam
Boots
Sabatons of the Iron watcher Enchanter Ice walker
Rings
heartmenders Circle
Renewal of Life
Trinkets
Eye of the Broodmother
Greatness card
Weapon
Hammer of the Astral Plane Enchant +50sp
Shield
Pulsing Spellshield Enchant +25 int
Libram
Libram of the Resolute

I dont think i am failing just that i dont think i am at 100%.The only time i need help healing the MT is when we are on Mim, but to honest we havent gone to Uldar for a while. My guild does only 10 man content we have cleared ToC raid and 11 of the bosses in Uldar and 90% of the time i am 1st on healing and in 25 man i am in the top 3, the trouble is i feel that when the dps is not doing well i am running out of mana even when i use DP when greatness procs, ac and di. I dont think i am a perfect healer but on the other hand i am not bad, i just want to know if i am going wrong.
This may help it has my Talents but not all my armor the chest and helm
http://hellfire-eu.warcrafter.net/Ternanus

[biggredd]

i think libram of renewal is better and will help with mana issues some. i think the trinket from h toc is better than eye of the broodmother and the talisman of resurgance is the best one. remember that int gives spell power and crit and all the other stuff as well.
also i hope you mean 21 int for the head gem if not that is a problem.

i was able to pull up your armory now. change your head gem. get talisman of resurgence. your gear is better than mine but i have more mana.

remember all int gems. not exceptions.
heres mine http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...in&n=Biggmomma

[Ternanus]

Thanks for the advice i am changing my gems going to get the +10 stats gem for helm and i have to keep a blue for the meta gem to work. Also i am going to change my talents and give it ago. ;D

[Ternanus]

I have changed what i can the only thing i dont like is that my crit has gone down by 5.99% unbuffed

[Azyoulike]

Like people say - replace gems with +Int except for meta activation. Crit in particular is never worth gemming for. Libram of renewal is BiS if you can still OOM, it's stupidly good for the item level.

IED is the best meta gem by a mile, the only reason to not use it would be because you can't possibly oom yourself under any circumstance, otherwise at 21 Int & 70 MP5 it's too good to miss. While the 2% Mana from your meta sounds a lot it's actually impossible in current content to get enough Int for it to be close to as good from a regen point of view.

Finally you may be better with Glyph of Beacon of light over Glyph of Divinity, I believe it comes out as more MP5 - especially if you're not LoHing yourself. Personally I prefer to hang onto LoH as an additional oh-shit button, rather than use it for regen.

[Sanguissa]

Increase haste to 600+.

[Ternanus]

Done some research, and some thinking. Keeping my spec and gems. My stats are with kings:-

Mana pool 27874
Bonus Healing 2180
Crit 33.15% holy :-\
Haste 382 11.65%

I have work on haste but thats secondary to getting more int atm, gonna find out tonight how good i am with this spec.

[Fåilure]

I am Specced 51/5/15, and have no problem in any Fight....although i am quite Geared.

Stats Unbuffed.

Mana Pool: 30,164
Crit Chance: 42% Holy
SP: 2560
Haste: 595

What i do is at about 3/4 of my mana Bar i pop Wings, Divine Plea, Talisman of Resurgance, and Divine Illumination, this gets me to Full mana, when i get back down to about 50% mana, i pop Arcane Torrent which is another 2200 mana (6% total mana which is 36.3k Raid buffed.) This of course is only available to BE Pallies, after that Divine Plea is back up. i usually end most fight at about 2nd on healing behind our resto shaman, and about 45% mana left.

When ever the Armory comes back up Search Meganföx and that's me, you can see what i do.

Also, Flask of Distilled Wisdom Works wonders.

Once i get 4 Piece T9, i will be regemming Spell Power and Mp5/Haste And using the Relentless Gladiator Libram and using Flash of Light as my main heal, seeing as you will be close to 3k Spell Power, Flashes will hit in the 10k+ Range and the HoT on the Shielded Person will be amazing, and FoL will be much more mana Efficient.

[Evilhealz]

When i was running Ulduar, i glyphed and talented for LoH. Nice 12 min CD, 8k mana ability. Hard to pass up if your having mana problems. Dont hesitate to use Holy Light if your tank is falling. I think some people including myself are relying on Flash of Light a little too much nowadays.

[Raiss]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks that stacking int is the best thing to do: replenishment was nerfed, illumination was nerfed so our mana regen was basically nerfed to the ground. I just gem spell power + mp5 and with 515 mp5 while casting raid buffed I can maintain my mana to a respectable level while spaming HL if I want to.
It all boils down to the healing style anyway, this is how I like to play, and I must say I'm a damn good healer, healed from Karazhan to SWP in tbc and from naxx to toc in wotlk, and never had any problems while using different specs/gems/style than the majority.

This are my stats anyway:
Mana Pool: 24k raid buffed
Bonus Healing: 2250
Crit: 38% HL and 37% FoL non raid buffed
Haste: 500
Mp5: 515 raid buffed
Spec: 51/0/20

Flame all the way you want, I'm pro no matter what you say.

How come you have less spell power than me (int stacker), if you are stacking spell power? I'm pretty sure that SP stacking can work, but you need to have, at least, 3000 unbuffed spellpower. If you are not geared enough already, it just shows that you are not raiding end-game content. Also, with high spell power, you should spec into 20 pront, in order to have stronger shields and healing (crit doesn't stack well with spellpower).

Illumination was nerfed, so we shouldn't stack int? You know that doesn't make any sense, right? Illumination was nerfed, so you should stack int.

Your haste is too low. You should aim for 600+.

Most of ToC gear doesn't have lots of mp5. You will find retardly high amounts of haste and spell power, it's rare to find a BiS gear with mp5. Maybe 2 tier pieces, bracers, belt from Anub 25-man hard (if you can afford this). You can find boots, belt, helm, shoulder, legs, chest, nick, shield and weapon with sp/crit/haste, and they are all BiS (or very close and easier to get). I really can't see paladins stacking mp5 with such amazing gear around.

It's good to be confident about your player skill and knowledge, but listen to other people and trying to improve yourself is always good, imo. boasting yourself can me you look very childish and silly, though.

What i do is at about 3/4 of my mana Bar i pop Wings, Divine Plea, Talisman of Resurgance, and Divine Illumination, this gets me to Full mana, when i get back down to about 50% mana, i pop Arcane Torrent which is another 2200 mana (6% total mana which is 36.3k Raid buffed.) This of course is only available to BE Pallies, after that Divine Plea is back up. i usually end most fight at about 2nd on healing behind our resto shaman, and about 45% mana left.

Arcane Torrent has such a small cooldown, why save it for when you are at 50% mana? You should use it when you are at 92~%. Using DI + Divine Plea together and so soon will result in over-regen, while using trinket + wings can result to overhealing. Use your cooldowns wisely, one +healing each plea or on demand, try to always have a regen cooldown up, using all together can be a waste.

About strong FoL hot. With you stack full spell power, plus a relentless libram, full raid buffed, let we say a 10k flash crit. That will mean a 2.5k hot, that is quite not enough for healing a tank (normaly only tanks are shielded) in hard modes. I'm sure it will help, but holy lights are still better, i suppose. Considering haste soft cap, flash of light is 1seg cast, while holy lights are 1,3seg, so the cast is almost not relevant, while the healing is bigger (so is the mana cost)

[Azyoulike]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks that stacking int is the best thing to do: replenishment was nerfed, illumination was nerfed so our mana regen was basically nerfed to the ground.

Because even after all those nerfs you still get more regen from gemming Int than you do from MP5 assuming you are using DP.

20 Int gives 24 Int after talents & BoK = 360 Mana

3.6 MP5 from Replenish
5.66 MP5 from using DP every minute
5.66 MP5 effectively just from mana pool (Assuming a 5 minute fight )
.14% crit (~ 1 MP5 in a HL heavy cycle )
.85 MP5 from Arcane Torrent ( since the OP is belf )
= 18.85 MP5 instead of 10.

Also you get 4.8 Spellpower.

Sorry mate, if you're gemming MP5 you aren't pro. The only way it could come out ahead is if you refuse to cast DP at all. MP5 is no longer a junk stat that we avoid at all costs as it was in 3.1, but it's still not a stat that we should gem for - or anybody else should for that matter.

[Raiss]

Things must really be boring when you use +10 mp5 gems, rofl.

[Azyoulike]

That's the thing I rarely use DP, don't even need it most of the times, only ofc if the raid damage is so much that I have to spam and spam and spam, example: XT hard mode, even there, I don't go oom, and don't need to use DP that often.
Only because I don't gem like everybody else makes me look less pro? I think the problem nowadays is that everybody plays like the masses do

I love the fact that your reasoning behind your gemming being good is that you also don't use a key tool. Newsflash, if you have enough MP5 to avoid using DP then you could have less MP5 and use DP. This means you could then gem more throughput, and do more during the highest burst moments in the fight. There are very very few fights where DP can't be safely used once every 2 minutes, most you can use it every cooldown with a bit of thought.

Anyway I answered your question - top players don't gem MP5 because Int is superior regen in almost any conceivable encounter, and brings a small amount of extra throughput as a bonus.

[Brujeira]

'Legendarius'... hah.

Ignore that arrogant bastard. Anyone with a name like 'Legendarius' is bound to be full of themselves but I'm taken aback by your claims to be 'pro' when you haven't actually done much of the high-end content - Naxx, Uld 25 easy modes, Uld 10 (in a 25 man guild) and OS don't count any more or never have counted. That leaves you with one HM that you've actually healed... wow, I'm impressed (/sarcasm). Let's face it, egotism is probably the only thing you're really expert at.

As everyone with any sense has already pointed out, Int allows the greatest throughput so stick with it. You'll be glad you did when you go on to try the more challenging HM's like Freya and Mimiron.

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[rambam]

actually, on freya hardmode, i tended to stack a lot more stam just because of heavy raid damage, it gimped my healing a fair bit, but all the other healers did it too and it lessened the stress a significant amount, though this was when we were doing freya +3 as progression a few months back

some fights require different things to others..

[Bilbobubblin]

Sorry mate, if you're gemming MP5 you aren't pro. The only way it could come out ahead is if you refuse to cast DP at all. MP5 is no longer a junk stat that we avoid at all costs as it was in 3.1, but it's still not a stat that we should gem for - or anybody else should for that matter.

I disagree. More and more high-end Pallies are starting to gem for some mp5.

Zaroua of Premonition, for example:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...27jin&n=Zaroua

The Holy Pallies in the top 3 guilds on my server (who are all 4/5 ToGC Heroic) all stack SP/mp5. Many even use the PvP Libram to boost FoL.

Point being, you can say they're not pro, but they're getting kills. And they've all stacked Int in the past - there has to be a valid reason why they're stacking SP/mp5 now.