Need help at H northrend beasts

[sinofasin]

Currently my guild is having problems with 10 man heroic version of toc, and yes, northrend beasts. Most of us are geared, does decent dps and do our roles well but after several attempts and 2 weeks, the problems persists.We're at gormokand the dps wasnt enough to take down gormok as too much snowbolds were disturbing our healers, we do not have enough time to take down gormok and the next boss came out.Is there any solution to this problem?i would appreciate any form of strats.

[bayi]

how much raid dps are u doing ?

[Omgwtfbbq]

do more dps...
Depending on your healers, you might consider ignoring snowbolds on dps (up to 2 or 3), good idea is also when ranged gets a snowbold, make him run into melee range so both add and boss will get hit by cleave attacks.
Besides this, its sort of a dps race, you need to get him down before next comes.

[Deleted]

There is just one way to fix the problem.
MORE dps. Your guild either don´t have the gear for this or your dps sucks.
Either you guys gear up the dps or you replace your current dpsers with people that can play.
One way to bring out more dps in 10 man though is to have a Caster based or a meele based group.
This way you will get all buffs to make more dps. Like if you go meele. Try to have atleast 1 enhancement shaman and a fury warrior or feral druid. You should always have 2 ranged so bring 2 hunters. There is no fight in Toc 10 man where you need meele so for a caster group just bring atleast 1 ele shaman and 1 boomkin.
Mixing meele dps with caster dps is just plain fail in 10 man tbh.

[holkim]

We have taken them down since week 1 they were released, we have two ranged on the kobolds (me (mage) and a lock), its sufficent enough. We move a couple of yards behind the melee, so that if we need some help on it, the melee can run in take care of kobold business.

And make sure you balance/specc into as much buffs as you can, as Aldarion states.

[bayi]

Mixing meele dps with caster dps is just plain fail in 10 man tbh.

We are at anub in 10man HC and our group was:
Rogue
Enh Shaman
Lock
ShadowPriest
Boomkin
HolyPriest
RestoDruid/Boomkin
PalaTank
WarriorOfftank/DPS
HolyPaladin

If a ranger gets a snobold he/she moves to the boss so the melee hit the snobold, heroism is used on the first worm, thats pretty much

[Kovak]

Sounds to me you need more DPS and thats all.Assuming your dps doesn't suck because dps dies to fires during gormok.

[strossus001]

You guys actually need to elaborate on why his guild can't do them?

"We can't kill everything before the next boss comes out" is a pretty straightforward question with a common sense answer.

Your guild doesn't do decent dps. Your guild doesn't do bad dps. Your guild does horrible dps.

[Pecanpie]

How much DPS does your DPS do?

And is it possible to show any parses?

[GAfo]

You guys actually need to elaborate on why his guild can't do them?

"We can't kill everything before the next boss comes out" is a pretty straightforward question with a common sense answer.

Your guild doesn't do decent dps. Your guild doesn't do bad dps. Your guild does horrible dps.

Assuming your dps are not doing from fire, the quote is the answer :<

PS: Get more gear from normal toc/ony/emblems/koralon.

[Cleir]

If the snobolds are on the melee just have the DPS (that can) roll dots on them and keep focus on the boss. If they are on healers or ranged make sure they are hard DPS'd to get them off as quick as possible. Resto druids not so important as paladins due to the cast time.

we make a smiley on the boss so.

tank
boss
melee melee
X
ranged ranged
healer healers
ranged

Snobold'd range people move to X so no one has to move to reach them.

[Tolrethun]

Skipping one or more of the snowbolds should be the easiest way to get more dps on the boss in p1. Kill the bolds if they are sitting on a caster/healer (nasty interrupts) and do not kill them if they are on melee/hunters. Caster should move to the melee camp when they get a snowbold => melee can dps both boss an snowbold.

If you have too much life left on the first boss when the worms come you should gear better or check if personal dps from your groupmember is enough. Heroism can assist here a little but it's better to use it in p2 to get rid of this nasty acid-worm very fast. In p3 (at least since the nerf) you do not need as much dps as for the phases before, just watch out that you spread around the boss.

Btw. mixing melee and caster isn't a plain fail but thinking you can kill those bosses only when you have perfect raidsetup is ... no question it is easier with a perfect setup but it's not a must have ... we are a mixed group and beasts are not a real problem.

[Hanibal]

We are raiding only 10 man's so have only 10 man gear. Did them with 2 tanks, 3 healers, 5 dps (3 mele, 2 ranged). I play ele shaman and saved Bloodlust for worms phase.

We even use strategy that mele kills snowbolds on ranged.

There is one thing that helps your healers - if they get snowbold just cast spell from another school so snowbold kicks wrong school and therefore healer does not have problems with healing. Also all ranged should move when they get raid warning about fire. Fire at gormok is 100% avoidable for whole duration of fight (even with snowbold on back).

We ignore snowbold on mele and kill ASAP the ones on casters.

[grasfer]

Hello, my guild got problems with this encounter. We use two tanks three healers rest dps, that seems kind of normal. Two player is Paladins so we use them to remove the impale dot on the tanks. I play the shaman and i linked our combat log from yesterdays raid, the first seven tries i healed with the druids. The last two tries we changed Kalim(warlock) with his under geared priest and let him heal and i dps as elemental shaman instead.

Our problem is warrior tank just seems to insta die sometimes to Gormok, less then a second so no healer have time to react, this happens from time to time. And IF we survive the worms Yeti spawns before they are dead, do we really lack that much dps or? Probably forgot something in this wall of text or missed some vital information if so i can add it later

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/S...um/damageDone/

[Smoosher]

Hello, my guild got problems with this encounter. We use two tanks three healers rest dps, that seems kind of normal. Two player is Paladins so we use them to remove the impale dot on the tanks. I play the shaman and i linked our combat log from yesterdays raid, the first seven tries i healed with the druids. The last two tries we changed Kalim(warlock) with his under geared priest and let him heal and i dps as elemental shaman instead.

Our problem is warrior tank just seems to insta die sometimes to Gormok, less then a second so no healer have time to react, this happens from time to time. And IF we survive the worms Yeti spawns before they are dead, do we really lack that much dps or? Probably forgot something in this wall of text or missed some vital information if so i can add it later

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/S...um/damageDone/

I did have a wall of text to post but i deleted after actually looking at your logs. Your loseing people to stupid reasons, Dieing in fires, slimepools. On none of your logs did you make it though most of P2 with no-one dead, Fix that and your DPS might "ok" but it looks a lil low. Id also say at times when your "Tanks" are dieing (as its not just the warrior tank) is half healer slack, and the other half when you have the 60% buff on the boss before your tank taunts get him to sheildwall.

Also Double Druid healers if they run hots on the next tank before he taunts, he should be fine.

[Atty]

Mixing meele dps with caster dps is just plain fail in 10 man tbh.

Hardly. It's fail if you manage to get an entire raid full of classes that don't bring any buffs, apart from that mixing melee and ranged wont make a big difference.

[Greggory]

Hardly. It's fail if you manage to get an entire raid full of classes that don't bring any buffs, apart from that mixing melee and ranged wont make a big difference.

I agree with Atty, we've had 2 casters and 3 physical dps'ers (4 depending on fight) and we have no problems.

The raid dps needed would be fairly easy to calculate if someone can come up with Gormok's HP and the time the worms come out.


Also, if you have any LW's do'nt forget about the new drums!

[sinofasin]

You guys actually need to elaborate on why his guild can't do them?

"We can't kill everything before the next boss comes out" is a pretty straightforward question with a common sense answer.

Your guild doesn't do decent dps. Your guild doesn't do bad dps. Your guild does horrible dps.

everyone is pulling above 5.5k, im guessing we dont have enough on snowbolds

[Surfd]

There is one thing that helps your healers - if they get snowbold just cast spell from another school so snowbold kicks wrong school and therefore healer does not have problems with healing.

Right, because the snobolds ALWAYS whisper you to tell you they are about to interupt your casts, so you know in advance when to start casting something from another school.

[Greggory]

5.5k dps should be more than enough. We have all dps switch to snobolds and burn them down so that we never have more than one at a time.

Right, because the snobolds ALWAYS whisper you to tell you they are about to interupt your casts, so you know in advance when to start casting something from another school.

Not to mention Holy pallys dont even have another spell school if I remember correctly.