Ele Shaman Trinket

[Nichbaar]

Hello,

Currently I have been starting to get more interested in my Elemental shaman. Just got 2p T9 tonight and as I was sifting through my bags I noticed i have a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49076 sitting there from brewfest.

I was looking at it compared to my other trinkets http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42990 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42988 and I cant really decide which to choose. I'm leaning towards replacing Illusion since it is only 100 spell power... but that's also 100 spell power I would be dropping compared to the 1crit and the chance on hit effect of the Death card.

Any help on this would be much appreciated. I'm also going to be trying to get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47213 from Trial of the Champion.

This shaman is my alt so I haven't spent much time on him but recently I have done some 10 and 25man raids on him and its starting to be a lot of fun.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...&n=Rynk%C3%A2r is my armory link to my shaman.

Thanks for any help in advance.

---Nichbaar---
<Advent Fury>

[Carambola]

Use Abyssal Rune and and Mithril Pocketwatch, and the Badge of Heroism one, or any combination, they are all good.

And you have 4 blue gems on your gear, you just need twice to activate meta gem, change some.

[elliss]

Sp is king for elemental , you need to have at least one of those , in a perfect world the best 2 are the one of thorium 25 + the one of razor , sorry to early in the morning for me to recall their names an easy sp one to get is embrass of the spider in naxx 10 , get asyss ruin its easy to get and with 2 t10 set its value might increase not a big fan of the one of anub but 150 sp is very atractive still

[Ham]

Why are you not a fan of the reign of the unliving/dead? Its one of the best trinkets for a fast casting bolt spaming class. I would love to drop my abyssal rune for it.

[wannakill]

Why are you not a fan of the reign of the unliving/dead? Its one of the best trinkets for a fast casting bolt spaming class. I would love to drop my abyssal rune for it.

maybe because not everyone, and even more so an alt, can get their hands on that trinket.

[Ham]

I have an alt that has cleared up to Anub, but the question still remains why you would not like it. My alt will almost certainly never see the 258 justicebringer. I still not only like it but want it for her.

[Nasty]

I have an alt that has cleared up to Anub, but the question still remains why you would not like it. My alt will almost certainly never see the 258 justicebringer. I still not only like it but want it for her.

Like he said, not everyone will have a chance to get it on a main, let alone an alt. I'm sure he'd take it if he had the chance.

[Ham]

not a big fan of the one of anub but 150 sp is very atractive still

This is what I was referring to. I was wondering why he did not like the proc.

Like he said, not everyone will have a chance to get it on a main, let alone an alt.

Take some initiative and put together a pug you would be surprised at how successful they can be.

[elliss]

2 reasons , damage doesn't scale with our sp and 2.5 second delay doesn't work well with our lb and overload , I can see a lock , mage or chicken have a better use with this trinket . Don't get me wrong if it falls in you're lap go for it it is a very nice trinket but the dragoon mother and the one of thorium should be better options , till 3.3 well see what's out there and crit should even fall ferther in its value for us and haste should rise even more in value , due to the 2 set t10 bonus

[Deleted]

2 reasons , damage doesn't scale with our sp and 2.5 second delay doesn't work well with our lb and overload , I can see a lock , mage or chicken have a better use with this trinket . Don't get me wrong if it falls in you're lap go for it it is a very nice trinket but the dragoon mother and the one of thorium should be better options , till 3.3 well see what's out there and crit should even fall ferther in its value for us and haste should rise even more in value , due to the 2 set t10 bonus

You're totally wrong. So like... 95% or so.
YES, fire Mages have a better use of the trinket and will probably get more DPS out of it. (because they crit so damn f*cking much...)
Locks and Chickens will NOT.

First, it's not 2.5sec, but 2 sec. That changes A LOT.
The 2sec delay doesn't work well with a SINGLE LB/CL/LvB/whatever, that's correct. But what about 2! of those spells? Let's assume your first LB is a crit... you get one charge... the second does not crit.. no charge of course.. the third crits.. CHARGE!
See how that went?
And don't forget that it proccs from Overload, granting us an even bigger chance of getting a procc with it.
Now what will happen to a Lock who's casting?
First off: Incinerate (talented) has a base casting time of 2.25sec. This gets lowered to 2.08 JUST THROUGH RAIDBUFFS. So if the Lock has even 5% haste on gear, his Incinerate will be cast in less than 2sec. Therefore, even IF he gets 2 crits in a row, only one will give him a charge. So even if he crits all the time, he'll only get a procc every ~3.5 or whatever seconds. That's a lot less than what we get.

And now to the second part...
Scale of Fates is better than Eye of the Broodmother. That's 'cause the Eye has Crit which is quite bad.
But let's just compare those 3 trinkets...
Reign of the Dead/Unliving is giving 150 Spellpower, the other two are granting 125.
So the 87 Crit or the 432 Haste for 20sec(on 2min CD) have to be better than the procc. Assuming you're at about 40% crit-chance, the procc will hit for about 2258.4 Damage everytime it hits. So now it all depends on how often you crit... seeing as you automatically get a charge every ~9seconds and ~45% crit-rate with LB it's quite fitting to say that it will procc at least every 10 seconds, resulting in 225 DPS. (could happen way more often, since you can do 4 LBs in 4.2 seconds (3x 1.4sec + Lightning Overload) which could make it procc every 6.3 seconds or so)
Now... the 87 Crit can be reduced to ~45 crit, seeing as SP is nearly twice as good as crit. So here you'll HAVE to agree the Reign of the Dead/Unliving is waaaaaaaay better.
It's a bit harder to do that with the Scale of Fates.. but tbh, 432 Haste for 20sec every 2min is not as good. (active 1/6th of the time, so... meh..)


Just wanted to show how insane Reign of the Dead/Unliving really is.
PS: Don't know if I really understood your post, if not: Burn me.

[wannakill]

I have an alt that has cleared up to Anub, but the question still remains why you would not like it. My alt will almost certainly never see the 258 justicebringer. I still not only like it but want it for her.

seeing as your question is not about liking or not. But I rather think you mean to ask if that trinket would be a better choice when you look at DPS.
Then yes, as Dadimi explained, that trinket is sex in a can.

[dstasior]

I have Reign and it truely is "sex in a can".

The proc alone is doing 4-4.5% of my total dmg, which is nearly 2x what my 4 piece T8 bonus does. AND it has 150sp, which is close to a 5% sp boost. Ridiculous...can't wait to equip the heroic version too.

[Nichbaar]

That's great and all about Reign of the Dead.... but as an alt I haven't had much luck getting it (Did an alt ToC25 last night as was the only caster, Right when we got to anub'arak one of the guild officers who hadn't gone with the guild on normal raid day decided to come in and was auto looted the trinket).

Yea I understand how good the Reign of the dead is but I was primarily asking about which of those trinkets I currently have I should be using for maximum dps.

This week I have an Ulduar10 planned where I will try to get my hands on some more trinkets but until then I'm stuck with what I have.

So any help on trinkets to use that I currently have would be much appreciated. I'll try to get my hands on a Reign of the Dead but unless I make my shaman my main (won't happen) I will assume that I am on a long waiting list for it.

[barrsftw]

2 reasons , damage doesn't scale with our sp and 2.5 second delay doesn't work well with our lb and overload , I can see a lock , mage or chicken have a better use with this trinket . Don't get me wrong if it falls in you're lap go for it it is a very nice trinket but the dragoon mother and the one of thorium should be better options , till 3.3 well see what's out there and crit should even fall ferther in its value for us and haste should rise even more in value , due to the 2 set t10 bonus

According to rawr REign of the dead is twice as good as any other trinket. It is undoubtably the best trinket for any dps caster.

[Shamanutra]

I currently use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47316 and plan on getting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47477 when we kill Anub (heroic) and it drops. I noticed a big increase in my dps when I got this trinket. The proc on it crits a lot.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/Q...?s=2849&e=3047 log showing how many normal hits vs. crits. 8 hits and 12 crits. 2.8k normal and 3.6k crits on average. Not bad if you ask me. Also, by checking the logs, you can see that in a 3 minute fight, I got 20 procs. That is about 1 proc every 10 seconds (if my math is correct). Proc meaning a Pillar of Flame hitting a target.

I still want to replace my http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40432 with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45308 but the damn thing never drops. :-\

[Deleted]

I currently use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47316 and plan on getting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47477 when we kill Anub (heroic) and it drops. I noticed a big increase in my dps when I got this trinket. The proc on it crits a lot.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/Q...?s=2849&e=3047 log showing how many normal hits vs. crits. 8 hits and 12 crits. 2.8k normal and 3.6k crits on average. Not bad if you ask me. Also, by checking the logs, you can see that in a 3 minute fight, I got 20 procs. That is about 1 proc every 10 seconds (if my math is correct). Proc meaning a Pillar of Flame hitting a target.

I still want to replace my http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40432 with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45308 but the damn thing never drops. :-\

First things first... you can have both Reign of the Dead, so whenever you get the second one, I'll come by your house and kill you. Seriously... I'll kill you :'( :'( :'(
Now, about the last part... don't do that.
If you compare Illustration and EotB, you should see the following:
Illustration - 75 Spellpower vs. EotB - 87 Crit
As we all know, Crit sucks for us.. big time!
So the 75 Spellpower is waaaaaaaaaay better. So never switch those. (and yes, seeing as you can already have a full stack of those buffs before even starting the fight [Healing Stream Totem], one can just take those numbers.)

[Shamanutra]

I think the main reason I want to trade out those trinkets is because the Illustration is like an old pair of shoes that is out of style. I just wanted to see a new icon in that slot for once. I know the Illustration is still a good trinket, but what else out there is better than it?

My guild no longer runs Ulduar 10 or 25 man anymore so getting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45518 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45466 might be out of the question. We might go back there to finish up some of the 25 man achievements once Blizzard announces the meta reward is being taken out of the game.

[wannakill]

I think the main reason I want to trade out those trinkets is because the Illustration is like an old pair of shoes that is out of style. I just wanted to see a new icon in that slot for once. I know the Illustration is still a good trinket, but what else out there is better than it?

When your current girlfriend gives you more pleasure then someone else. Will you trade her in just because you want someone else?
sounds kinda silly to me.

only real thing better then it are the anub trinkets. yes both.
one can argue about flare of the heaven being better. (I just hate it when it procs at the wrong time)

[Thunderspike]

i would like to say this and please someone intelligent answer but WHO THE HELL TOLD YOU CRIT WAS BAD!?!? WHO? WTF are you HIGH? jesus christ that hast to be the most stupid thing i have ever heard beaten only by the idea that ANY haste over 550ish is helpful, ITS A DAMN WASTE! for christ sake do you even research your class, taken a look at your talents? There are several talents that rely on our crits, our meta gives increased crit dmg, i mean hell if you have enough crit you can have a 100% uptime on clearcasting for not the mana cost reduction but the 10% spell dmg! Spellpower is nice but there is a lot to be said for sustainable clearcasting and the talent increase of the damage we do with crits. personally i use EotB and reign of the dead and with 700 haste on my gear alone and i always pull 6k on non gimmic boss fights. i love when people go on to elitist jerks and see the estimates EP values and think, o well i should just stack haste like spellpower....it acts hit guys!

[highwind01]

Sp is king for elemental , you need to have at least one of those , in a perfect world the best 2 are the one of thorium 25 + the one of razor , sorry to early in the morning for me to recall their names an easy sp one to get is embrass of the spider in naxx 10 , get asyss ruin its easy to get and with 2 t10 set its value might increase not a big fan of the one of anub but 150 sp is very atractive still

illustration of the dragonsoul beats out both by quite a margin and is probably easier to get.


to OP:
If u dont have the abyssal rune yet just take the brewfest thing and buy the one from badges with identical stats, they are both quite good