How well do you think a professional Street Fighter player would do in WoW pvp?

[CreativeInstitute]

A friend of mine plays Street Fighter IV professionally (travels interstate every few months to compete in comps and does pretty well) and we were discussing WoW and I said that there's PvP scene and the groundwork is based upon RNG due to hits, crits etc etc. Now he thinks that if anything about the core gameplay is left to chance, then it couldn't really be considered competitive.

Basically, I know that Street Fighter requires a lot of skill, but that's a 1v1 game right. Like in WoW pvp you're always relying at least on one other person to do well, so it's not just about how good you are.

I said to him that he should play WoW and compete in arena to see how he goes, but he said that he wouldn't even bother because of the lag, counter classes (if he levels all the way to 80 and thinks his character sucks, he can't just go to the character select screen and pick another character) and that he doesn't believe that RNG mechanics could be applied to a competitive videogame and be based solely on skill.

I can see his point of view. I've played him on Street Fighter a bunch and he kicks my ass so damn badly. Like some combos you gotta connect within one particular frame and stuff like that, so I don't doubt that his timing and reactions would be impeccable, but for WoW with the lag, gear, RNG and counter comps and all that....I dunno.

I basically ended it jokingly with 'put up or shut up' kinda thing. He shouldn't bag WoW pvp until he's tried it, but I do think that he'd be able to dominate it if he tried it out.

Just throwing it out there, how well do you think competitive fighting game players would do in WoW pvp?

[Coronius]

As good as any other newbie.

WoW PvP is not like a fighting game.

[CreativeInstitute]

I understand that, but I'm thinking that he'd do better at WoW pvp at a high level than a WoW pvp'er playing Street Fighter at a high level.

[CreativeInstitute]

WoW takes less skill than street fighter.jpg


ok ill just toss this in with the rest of the EXACT SAME threads about EVERY OTHER GAME

huh? There are other threads about this thing?

Ouch, people are a little antsy here.....

[Melonberry]

Street fighter also allows people to do relatively well by facerolling, either literally or non. The main part of being good in fighting games is the ability to predict your enemies moves and counter them. Rolling face is a direct counter to this, and comes out on top about 25-33% of the time.

What kind of competitive game has "the best" players beaten by complete noobs...ever?

And that kids, is why video games can never really be competitive.

Would he be good at wow pvp? I bet. Would someone good at wow pvp be good at Street fighter? Same chance.
Would someone who is absolutely horrible at street fighter and loses every game be good at wow pvp? not a chance.
Would the most faceroll players from wow be good at street fighter? yup.

[brirrspliff]

just imagine how good a fifa player might be! or wait, QUAKE3! or just think about how a samurai would WTFPWN wowzor pvp. YAY.

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[CreativeInstitute]

Street fighter also allows people to do relatively well by facerolling, either literally or non.

What the hell?

[WaitingforSWTOR]

There is a simple yet huge difference between Street Fighter or any kind of FPS game against wow:

1v1 balance

[roflpot]

As somebody who used to play semi-pro fps games, I can tell you he'd walk straight into WoW. It's much much easier with rather forgiving timing.

If you have the brain to be competitive in 1 game, any game, it usually translates into you being able to pick up other things quickly.

He's still right though, why anybody would play competitive WoW is beyond me. When I'm playing and money is on the line I'd rather not be beaten by a purely random sequence of numbers being generated. Still though, being good at PvP in WoW is far far harder than being a good raider, so it's not something everybody can do, but most people with a brain can.

[Melonberry]

What the hell?

Ever tried it? Works in every fighting game. Hit buttons fast and randomly. Even professionals sometimes loose to random buttons. (It's the random part that does it. Note that's the key element in losing to a RNG crit etc too)

There is a simple yet huge difference between Street Fighter or any kind of FPS game against wow:

1v1 balance

Pretty much. But all of those games lack variety, everyone is exactly the same. If everyone in wow was an arms warrior with the same equipment...voila, balance.

[Kadium]

From what I read, your implying that your friend has good coordination and reaction timing. Those are good things for WoW PvP, but WoW is like 20 times more complicated. Straight off the bat, fighting game players will find out that they need more buttons than their ps3 controller.

[CreativeInstitute]

Ever tried it? Works in every fighting game. Hit buttons fast and randomly. Even professionals sometimes loose to random buttons. (It's the random part that does it. Note that's the key element in losing to a RNG crit etc too)

....right.

Yeah, pro SF players losing to people randomly hitting buttons. You have no idea what you're talking about LOL.

[viR]

Ever tried it? Works in every fighting game. Hit buttons fast and randomly. Even professionals sometimes loose to random buttons. (It's the random part that does it. Note that's the key element in losing to a RNG crit etc too)
Pretty much. But all of those games lack variety, everyone is exactly the same. If everyone in wow was an arms warrior with the same equipment...voila, balance.

I hope your whole post is a big joke, the first part is pretty stupid and the second one doesn't get any better. Why would a warrior in same equipment balance anything? you know what 30% crit chance means? that you can get luck RNG (hint) and crit 8 attacks in a row and the warrior with the exact same gear crit 0 times, if you remove crits, dodges, parry, block and every single CHANCE in the game then you can balance it around skill.

[Daneel]

As it was said wow is way more complicated then SF. And yes, smashing buttons is win in fighting games.

[CreativeInstitute]

I hope your whole post is a big joke, the first part is pretty stupid and the second one doesn't get any better. Why would a warrior in same equipment balance anything? you know what 30% crit chance means? that you can get luck RNG (hint) and crit 8 attacks in a row and the warrior with the exact same gear crit 0 times, if you remove crits, dodges, parry, block and every single CHANCE in the game then you can balance it around skill.

Exactly. The more things based on random chance, the less it's based on skill.

As it was said wow is way more complicated then SF. And yes, smashing buttons is win in fighting games.

Good god, the WoW community is the worst. Pretty sure SF is more complex. Characters have frame data, priority, hit boxes, zoning, one 1 to 5 frame links, kara throws, tick throws, turtling, (and a whole lot more) aside from the whole strategy of countering your opponent.

Well I'm not going to bother getting into it, seems like people have a warped sense of view on what fighting games are, or how to win them.

[Deleted]

As it was said wow is way more complicated than SF. And yes, smashing buttons is win in fighting games.

Fixed that for you. :P

Street fighter and all other beat em ups on the similar vein, tekken, samurai shodown, final fight etc are all realtime and require far more twitch reflexes than WoW ever will, he might do ok on WoW PVP but the two genres of games are so far apart that skill in one does not automatically equal skill in the other.

[Daneel]

Exactly. The more things based on random chance, the less it's based on skill.

Good god, the WoW community is the worst. Pretty sure SF is more complex. Characters have frame data, priority, hit boxes, zoning, one 1 to 5 frame links, kara throws, tick throws, turtling, (and a whole lot more) aside from the whole strategy of countering your opponent.

Well I'm not going to bother getting into it, seems like people have a warped sense of view on what fighting games are, or how to win them.

I've actually played SF a lot, i know all about frame links, frame combos, tuck throws and what not. BTW, most of those "features" were not intended and most of those "features" exist in wow and other games. Ever heard of Quake and strafe jumping?
WoW is way more complicated then SF, thats why balancing WoW is such a difficult task.

p.s. Thanks cydri

[anywherenotes]

Your friend makes a great point.

WoW isn't a PvP platform, it's an MMO at heart. You have lag, counter classes, other stuff that is counterproductive to testing skill.

Still, if he's very good at PvP in another game, chances are he has great reflexes, and that's what it comes down to. RNG will sometimes work in his favor and sometimes against him. So on average he will win same number of games as he does in Street Fighter.
He may lose some, that he should have won. And he may win some he should have lost. It will still balance out.

[Daneel]

The point is that his friend is be good at SF, a game which requires fast reflexes, reaction time etc but that won't be enough to be good at WoW PVP aka Arena. You'll need loads of knowledge about what other classes can do with different combinations od talents, gear, spell etc, you'll need situational awareness and a sense of planing and forming tactics which is probably more important in Arena then having really fast reaction time.

[Reversal]

Short answer.
As good as any other noob.


Reflexes and reaction time has nothing to do with Arena.