Are our dps enough?

[Soulbender]

Hi,

We spend a good ol' wipe night on anub 25 (normal)
Yeah, i know, "easy content", but we're just recovering from summer, and half our raidforce is casual.

In our best effort, we managed 1,5M left on the bug, using 3 tanks and 6 healers.
Are our dps enough? any advice?

here's the parse -> http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/0...=17946&e=18531

Thanks for any input!

[Munk]

Honestly damage done does seem REALLY low.

On my guilds last anub kill our raid dps (which is low by competitive guild standards) was 106,348
on the attempt you linked you were a hair about 61k

In short you really need to push your dps to be better than they are.

[Telaso]

Having a Feral tank druid be ahead of a boomkin, and Feral cat druid just barely in front of him? Yes, you guys need to up your dps by alot...

[Soulbender]

well, i asked the feral druid (droz), and he says he's using the good rotations and what not. He's wondering himself why his dps suck

[mackmustard]

DPS is low. Yea, talk to your feral. Ours do almost 2 x's more then he is doing, although I have not armoried your cat to see how his gear is.

[bbr]

is your dps enough?
Hard to say.

Let's have a look at the logs..
75000 / 25 = 3000 dps average.

Presuming you got 2 tanks and 6 healers - as you should have.
75000 / 18 = 4166,67~

That is, very low indeed.
Though in theory it could be enough to kill him, if your healers are good... but, I doubt that.
Aim for getting 5500 average.
Meaning : 100.000 dps instead of that 75k

Your top dps players should be able to hit 7K+

[marmion]

You're missing an Elemental Shaman/Demo warlock for a major spellpower buff.

You're not applying the 5% spell crit debuff (fire mages, demo warlock, affliction warlocks).

Wtf is Astoriculus doing? Using shadowbolt as a main nuke in a 0/13/58 spec WITHOUT improved shadowbolt?

I'd recommend having one of your locks respec to Demo, should see a dps increase for all your casters.

edit: you can check if you have all the buffs you should have here: http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/

[misazadia]

Also have one healer go dps at Anub... you really don't need 5 healers, since you during P3 will have to keep people at 50% rather than full health.

Add to that what the others said.

If still fail, PuG it like me Then you can atleast choose the players you want to bring and keep them over 4-5k or something like that.

[FeralRage]

Your druid is fairly well geared. No Tier stuff which sucks (either T8 or T9 really help with rotation). But basically tell him to read up. He should be pulling more of his weight.

I just looked at talents and Glyphs and he has Glyph of MAUL FOR HIS DPS SPEC! I guess that MIGHT make sense if he tanks in the spec too but give him a big boot in the arse and kindly ask him to replace it with Glyph of Savage Roar. Other than that the spec looks okay.

[Soulbender]

hi, and thanks for the responses.

We failed with 2 tanks, so count 3 + 6 healers.

hitting 7K? i certainly can't reach that, and i'm one of the best geared players in the guild, playing with not a lot of slack (timing trinkets, etc). Remember we ain't doing hardmodes, we just recovered from summer basically. So our gear is 232-245, tops. I'm happy with 5k on anub, tbh.

Marmion, great remarks. The lock was chasing the snowflakes, and is kinda a new recruit, yes.

[hammerbane]

Your Enhancement shaman, Dalrak, doesn't know how to gear.

He is slightly short of the spell hit cap. He needs 14% hit from gear/gems to be spell hit capped with an Spriest/Boomkin providing the 3% to spel lhit.
He also needs to cap expertise which is 26 or 140 rating with 3/3 Unleashed Rage.
He needs to drop his meta for a 21 agi or 21 crit/3% crit damage meta. He will only need 1 blue gem (a Nightmare Tear) if he goes with the 21 agi meta. The rest of the gems should be AP or Expertise/Hit until cap. He also shouldn't be gemming for socket bonuses unless they are 12+ ap. Needs to replace the PvP ring (Valor badge ring or Triump rings are good) and the blue trinket. Again the Triumph trinket is a good choice.

He also has no enchants on gloves, belt (socket), legs, boots, bracers and cloak. Weapons should be Mongoose or Berserking, nothing else.

I just noticed his spec and glyphs are awful as well. He only has 2 major glyphs and one is terrible. Should be running Windfury, Feral Spirit and Stormstrike. He also needs to be picking up Elemental Fury (5/5), Call of Flame (3/3) and only 2/5 Ancestral Knowledge and 3/3 Imp Shields. He needs to drop Frozen Power and Toughness to fix his spec.

[marmion]

Marmion, great remarks. The lock was chasing the snowflakes, and is kinda a new recruit, yes.

We have a hunter killing the orbs, works better imo than a warlock (more instant, less time spend).

Here is the parse from our first kill on sep. 03:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/w...?s=7263&e=7695
77k raid dps

Your mages might be better off with fb/ffb spec, keeping living bomb up on all the adds.
The warlocks should not use rain of fire unless you're tanking all adds together, which you should not be doing.

[Wikko]

hi, and thanks for the responses.

We failed with 2 tanks, so count 3 + 6 healers.

hitting 7K? i certainly can't reach that, and i'm one of the best geared players in the guild, playing with not a lot of slack (timing trinkets, etc). Remember we ain't doing hardmodes, we just recovered from summer basically. So our gear is 232-245, tops. I'm happy with 5k on anub, tbh.

Marmion, great remarks. The lock was chasing the snowflakes, and is kinda a new recruit, yes.

5k is way too low for that ilvl gear. People in your guild really needs to l2p, 6 healers are also too many for anub. I hope you're not trying to keep everyone topped at p3...

[Deleted]

Seeing ur DPS numbers, it's almost as if the full raid is walking around in Naxx gear. That warlock pulling 2.6k DPS obviously has no idea how to play when he throws Shadowbolts and Incinerates at his targets in the same rotation evenly used. The shamans probably need better gear and so does the feral. The rest of the dps seems okayish to me for a casual group. Should be enough to kill at least.

Btw train ur tanks to use only 2, there's only 2 adds so come on, how slow do you have to be to not be able to pickup 2 adds :P

[Chiochan]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...rub&n=Chiochan

As the lowest geared in my guild that raids on occasion(mainly ten mans) i do around 7-7.3k on anub without pushing myself to much. And that is about 11th seat on the dps meter.

Something for your mage there trying to do anub as arcane, it really works better as fire ttw.

Edit: Checked that i did much less at 4.4k apologies

[marmion]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...rub&n=Chiochan

As the lowest geared in my guild that raids on occasion(mainly ten mans) i do around 7-7.3k on anub without pushing myself to much. And that is about 11th seat on the dps meter.

no you are not: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4...?s=3227&e=3603
4.8k dps, place #14
pls don't lie, it doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[hammerbane]

The dps feral isn't doing his rotation right. Tell him to look in the Druid forum here for a guide to feral DPS.

no you are not: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4...?s=3227&e=3603
4.8k dps, place #14
pls don't lie, it doesn't add anything to the discussion.

lol

[Soulbender]

no you are not

lol, pwned!
Also he's in gear you can't have for your FIRST ToC25 clear.

Thanks for the advices, mates, i will whip around the guild for our next try. Remember some members DO suck, we're not pulling 7k (if possible at all), etc etc. This is normal. We are a semi casual guild raiding twice a week ^^

[marmion]

Thanks for the advices, mates, i will whip around the guild for our next try. Remember some members DO suck, we're not pulling 7k (if possible at all), etc etc. This is normal. We are a semi casual guild raiding twice a week ^^

Happy to help, we're also nowhere near being pro raiders^^

Just tell your healer to not top off everybody (but the tanks and the people with the frost debuff) in p3 but keep them <50%, less life leech means less damage needed.
Also a shaman dropping a nature resist totem/a hunter switching to nature aspect will lower dmg by life leech.

[Soulbender]

we clear ToC10 easy, so we've gathered the heal at 50% tactic

hell, i even cleared it as healer offspec with no problems