Bear tanks in ice crown...

[strahdowns]

Is it even gona be a possibility with the nerf to dodge isn't that the bears main mitigation stat. As it seems i see less bear tanks then any other tank but that might be because druid healers are so good idk. Only reason why im asking is because im itching to go bear tank!!!

[Serynn]

then go bear tank

trust me, the buff that will be in icecrown C, will hit warriors, paladins and deathknight quite hard to.

[strahdowns]

then go bear tank

trust me, the buff that will be in icecrown C, will hit warriors, paladins and deathknight quite hard to.

True but don't pallys and warriors have block and parry were bears only have dodge

[Leemon]

then go bear tank

trust me, the buff that will be in icecrown C, will hit warriors, paladins and deathknight quite hard to.

yeah but warriors, paladins and deathknights all have def. rating as well, while druid tanks survive mainly on avoidance and lots of hp

[Sunshine]

If you have 4 tanks, one of each class, and each has over 20% dodge...

Guess what? Each one will lose 20% avoidance. Avoidance is avoidance; it's no different to dodge an attack than to parry an attack. They target dodge because it's the one stat that all tanks have in common, so it will hit all tanks equally.

The change will make tanks easier to heal, not harder. Yes, we'll be avoiding less, but that means more consistent damage by lowering damage per swing. That means less instagib two-shots. It should make agility better for stacking, even, because we won't need such a huge stam buffer to prevent e.g., melee->impale->melee combos.

[strahdowns]

so then i guess stacking even more stamina over agi would be the way to go. that way u would be able to take more hits since u cant dodge them.

[Eminai]

so then i guess stacking even more stamina over agi would be the way to go. that way u would be able to take more hits since u cant dodge them.

/facepalm

[telemain]

Is it even gona be a possibility with the nerf to dodge isn't that the bears main mitigation stat. As it seems i see less bear tanks then any other tank but that might be because druid healers are so good idk. Only reason why im asking is because im itching to go bear tank!!!

Bears are losing 20% dodge. DKs and wars are losing... hmm 20% dodge.

It's hitting all tanks equally. Everyone is losing 20% avoidance. That's why they did dodge only. If they did -10% dodge/parry, then bears would only lose 10% avoidance instead of 20.

This is not a difficult concept.

[hurtgen]

we had this discussion when sunwell came out, im pretty sure the end result was to carry on doing like you were doing before.

Anyway, judging from the way wotlk raiding has panned out so far, totc/uldy, encounters are more based around doing stuff, instead of tank and spank.

[Sunshine]

so then i guess stacking even more stamina over agi would be the way to go. that way u would be able to take more hits since u cant dodge them.

It should make agility better for stacking, even, because we won't need such a huge stam buffer to prevent e.g., melee->impale->melee combos.

When you don't need a stam buffer, you can gem agility for dodge. Stam is only useful to some point -- when you never go below 10k hp, you've got too much.

[Gog]

If you have 4 tanks, one of each class, and each has over 20% dodge...

Guess what? Each one will lose 20% avoidance. Avoidance is avoidance; it's no different to dodge an attack than to parry an attack. They target dodge because it's the one stat that all tanks have in common, so it will hit all tanks equally.

Your lack of logic astounds me. It seems that the OP was suggesting that because the three plate wearers can stack parry rather than dodge, they will be able to reduce the severity of the dodge penalty.

Wish they thought of this stuff at the start of an xpac.

[Eminai]

Your lack of logic astounds me. It seems that the OP was suggesting that because the three plate wearers can stack parry rather than dodge, they will be able to reduce the severity of the dodge penalty.

Wish they thought of this stuff at the start of an xpac.

Yes, because stacking parry is such a viable strategy, and almost no high level gear has dodge on it, so all those tanks that have less than 20% dodge from gear should just stack parry instead of dodge like they have been.


Ok, I'm sorry, I can't even pretend to be that stupid, although it is quite admirable you managed to put it off.

[DaveTheHunter]

True but don't pallys and warriors have block and parry were bears only have dodge

Bears have savage defense, which in the current trend of stam stacking mitigates a very similar amount of damage to block. Bears also roll with 40-50% dodge, significantly more than your average plate wearer. Bears also have more armor, thus mitigating more physical damage, and larger health pools so that they CAN soak more damage if needed.

Your lack of logic astounds me. It seems that the OP was suggesting that because the three plate wearers can stack parry rather than dodge, they will be able to reduce the severity of the dodge penalty.

Wish they thought of this stuff at the start of an xpac.

Parry is hit way too hard by DR to be worth stacking to offset the dodge penalty. Stam will still be the most effective stat to stack, regardless of the class of tank.

[Merckx]

we had this discussion when sunwell came out, im pretty sure the end result was to carry on doing like you were doing before.

we had this discussion when sunwell came out, im pretty sure the end result was to carry on doing like you were doing before.

we had this discussion when sunwell came out, im pretty sure the end result was to carry on doing like you were doing before.

we had this discussion when sunwell came out, im pretty sure the end result was to carry on doing like you were doing before.

Also, we had this discussion when sunwell came out, the end result was to carry on doing like you were doing before.

[Nasty]

Your lack of logic astounds me. It seems that the OP was suggesting that because the three plate wearers can stack parry rather than dodge, they will be able to reduce the severity of the dodge penalty.

Wish they thought of this stuff at the start of an xpac.

I understand what the OP is saying, but at an end game level, don't bear tanks get MUCH higher dodge than Warriors, DKs and Pallys? So with that, if a bear tank has 60% dodge and a warrior has 30% dodge and 30% parry they both come out with an even amount of avoidance. Correct me if I'm wrong about bears getting higher dodge.

[Nahyo]

This debuff would only benefit a tank with <20% dodge (as you can't have negative avoidance)... which doesn't exist with ToC gear so it'll be the same for all 4.

BUT, what I wanna know is what about STACKING parry and avoiding ALL items with dodge? (or most I guess)

[Eminai]

This debuff would only benefit a tank with <20% dodge (as you can't have negative avoidance)... which doesn't exist with ToC gear so it'll be the same for all 4.

BUT, what I wanna know is what about STACKING parry and avoiding ALL items with dodge? (or most I guess)

Your gear will be crap and you'll die

[Gaskal]

Your gear will be crap and you'll die

No Way !
I thought it was this way :
You suck and you will die !
Run for you lives ! DA LICK KIN IS COMIN

[Deleted]

Currently I have about 25% dodge, 20% parry and 7% -hit.

With this aura, it might be better to get rid of dodge altogether and just invest in parry, block and stamina which is kinda stupid as it makes dodge a pointless stat to be avoided much like spirit on plate.

I'm not sure if it will be possible but if you can avoid dodge altogether or at least keep it below 15% then all the plate pieces with no dodge on them will become vastly superior to those with dodge.

[Lexxe]

IDK about bears, but I think pallys will be fine in ICC. My dodge is 28.76%, parry is 18.17%, and block is 17.24%, 47.24% with holy shield. I think paladins will see a huge increase in damage, butless so than others. I guess we could start stacking armor more armor, and maybe more stamina if its possible.