Need some help: Engineering + Fury warrior Gloves enhancement

[Venun]

Ok, so basically there are a few options to put on my gloves as an Engineer Fury warrior:

- Enchant Gloves: Crusher, 44 AP
- Rocket gloves: "Permanently attaches a hand-mounted pyro rocket launcher to your gloves, allowing a skilled engineer to deal 1654 to 2020 Fire damage to an enemy at long range. The rocket can only be fired once every 45 sec."
- Haste enchant: "allowing a skilled engineer to increase their haste rating by 340 for 12 sec. The gloves can only be activated every minute"
- Armor enchant: "increasing armor by 885". This turns to 24.583 AP.

Now, what should I put on my gloves??
Afaik the Armor Enchant is good for PvP possibly, yet the request is for PvE.
- Rocket Gloves, I have this currently, macro'd in my bloodthirst so it goes off all the time (seperate cooldown from everything else).

Personally I'd reckon the haste is only good if you want to have some more burst abilities. What do you guys think? I reckon there can be alot of numbers crunched here with dps formula's and whatnot.

[Battousai]

There are engineers left in the game???

[Aldun]

There are engineers left in the game???

Hey! Don't underestimate the power of 5sec 150% speed every 30sec (if you use many copies of boots like me), the power to teleport everywhere, the power to lolpwn people in the air and float to safety, the power to skin ~400g x3 from Ulduar bosses and the dps increase from cloak + gloves :O!

[Venun]

I'm a sucker for gadgets like this, so yes, there are engineers left in the game

p.s: popping a repairbot at anub when you can't exit, also saves some time for the raid ^^

but let's not get off topic, help me calc the best if you possibly could ^^

[Battousai]

Hey! Don't underestimate the power of 5sec 150% speed every 30sec (if you use many copies of boots like me), the power to teleport everywhere, the power to lolpwn people in the air and float to safety, the power to skin ~400g x3 from Ulduar bosses and the dps increase from cloak + gloves :O!

......a joke...it was a joke. Simma daw na.

Simma....daw.....na

[Kysimir]

Haste Enchant all the way.

1 Min CD, ~14% haste for 10s.

Your other CD's are:

Speed Potion (1/fight), ~14% haste for 10s
Deathwish 2min CD, 30s.
Recko 3min CD (irrelevant to haste scaling).

So, this means that you can:

• Pull the boss.
  Deathwish & Glove enchant
  
  1 Minute Later
  Glove Enchant when Paragon, Greatness, or Mjolnir procs
  
  1 minute later
  Deathwish & Glove enchant
  
  1 Minute Later
  Glove Enchant when Paragon, Greatness, or Mjolnir procs
  
  1 minute later
  Deathwish & Glove enchant

so on and so forth.

In addition to that, you can:

• Herosim
  Deathwish & Glove Enchant
  
  10 seconds later
  Haste Potion

Result = ~44% haste and 20% damage dealt for 30 seconds.

This doesn't even take into account specific burn phases like Jaraxxus Hard Mode, or bonus damage phases like XT and Yogg+1.

This outperforms +44 AP by a sickeningly gross margin.

[Kysimir]

In regards to Rocket Gloves, I'm not sure if it can crit or miss/be partially resisted. So I will assume the best-case-scenario.

If it crits based off of melee crit %, I run about 47% crit chance, with yellow hit cap, and unresistable. This means that if I use it every CD, it will statistically never be up when I am closing distance with the boss, so there is no gain there. However, I will gain a flat 1654 to 2020 damage with a 1/2 chance to crit every 45s. Resulting in, during a 450 second fight, a range of 16,540 to 40,400 damage.

Only time I would benefit from the rockets, IMO, would be in closing time - but I typically Saronite Hand Gernade then Heroic Throw and Intercept (macroed) during that span, so the rockets may just interfere with my ability to close the distance due to the extra button push.

Haste, in my current gear, would out perform rockets. In addition, haste has the potential to scale exponentially well in comparison with Rockets with the release of T10. I'm fairly confident that in T8.5 gear, the haste still out performs the rockets. Arms may benefit from Rockets more, and Early Naxx 10/25 fury may benefit from rockets more as well.

[omglazor]

I'll just side track right here:
Rocket Gloves + Heroic Throw = Hammer of Wrath

Seriously, gloves are off GCD, so you can effectively do 2.5 - 7K dmg (Depending on crits / resits) in one GCD @ 30yd

[Kysimir]

I'll just side track right here:
Rocket Gloves + Heroic Throw = Hammer of Wrath

Seriously, gloves are off GCD, so you can effectively do 2.5 - 7K dmg (Depending on crits / resits) in one GCD @ 30yd

Except Heroic Throw resets the swing timer, so it's not usable in melee; and Saronite Hand-grenades (while more expensive) only do slightly less damage, and do not occupy an enchant slot.

[Venun]

Allright, i'll go try the haste one again thanks!
Went for the rockets at arms indeed, the haste seemed abit wasted there.

[Codine]

Haste Enchant all the way.

1 Min CD, ~14% haste for 10s.

Your other CD's are:

Speed Potion (1/fight), ~14% haste for 10s
Deathwish 2min CD, 30s.
Recko 3min CD (irrelevant to haste scaling).

So, this means that you can:

• Pull the boss.
  Deathwish & Glove enchant
  
  1 Minute Later
  Glove Enchant when Paragon, Greatness, or Mjolnir procs
  
  1 minute later
  Deathwish & Glove enchant
  
  1 Minute Later
  Glove Enchant when Paragon, Greatness, or Mjolnir procs
  
  1 minute later
  Deathwish & Glove enchant

so on and so forth.

In addition to that, you can:

• Herosim
  Deathwish & Glove Enchant
  
  10 seconds later
  Haste Potion

Result = ~44% haste and 20% damage dealt for 30 seconds.

This doesn't even take into account specific burn phases like Jaraxxus Hard Mode, or bonus damage phases like XT and Yogg+1.

This outperforms +44 AP by a sickeningly gross margin.

And if you rolled a proper race too you'd have an orc racial free trinket to play with!! =P

[omglazor]

Except Heroic Throw resets the swing timer, so it's not usable in melee; and Saronite Hand-grenades (while more expensive) only do slightly less damage, and do not occupy an enchant slot.

Can't use hand grenades in arenas - I told you it was a side-track on the topic of rocket gloves. In PvP, Heroic Throw + Rocket Gloves = <3

[Master Guns]

EJ testing shows otherwise. 44 Ap is better then the haste.

[Kysimir]

EJ testing shows otherwise. 44 Ap is better then the haste.

EJ has also said that 44 comes out ahead mathematically because haste is calculated as just haste. The math doesn't account for stacking haste with heroism, or haste with death wish.

[Deleted]

Also possible that EJ forgot to take movement into consideration, time spent not attacking and other various funsies that happens when actually raiding, which would reduce the damage gained from 44AP but increase the effective combat uptime of the haste enchant.