Is Beast Mastery viable?

[Zephonim]

Hey!

As an old TBC player, i've spent loads of time as BM and gotten use to it, and still like / love it.

So I wanted to check if it's possible or worth it to specc into it?

I know most info about enchanting, stats, pets and so on. I was wondering though if someone could give me a BM specc, since I can't decide what to do with some talents.
Also wanted to check if its worth to get Heart of the Phonix on the pet specc.

I give thanks to people for helping me out :3

[Chrizesu]

Wait till patch 3.3 is out.

[Zephonim]

I know, there suposed to make some changes, though I wanted to check, so I can start geming, getting gear, pets and so on.
That's why im searching for a specc.
Or possibley a guide, I know someone on the forums in MMO, that's made the MM and SV guides is suposed to do a BM guide. But I just wanted to check in before hand.

To get ready for 3.3

[Beeblebrox]

try something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...8881,O8y,10747

if you got manaproblems, put some points in invigoration, if you don't have enough hit on gear, put points in focused aim...

[Chrizesu]

try something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...8881,O8y,10747

if you got manaproblems, put some points in invigoration, if you don't have enough hit on gear, put points in focused aim...

Just instead of endurance training go thick hide.

Pet: http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...00103010122&bm

I wouldn't go Phoenix spec unless your pet dies A Lot.

[Zephonim]

Thanks Beeblebrox, though, Spirit Bond is pritty useless for raids?

I was thinking perhaps something in the lines of this :
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...2f3F,O8y,10747

Perhaps even skipping Go For the Throat, depends on how much focus the pet has.

And also, another question. Is it worth to go for Improved Tracking and Survival Instincts? Not better to get Aimed Shot and max out Mortal Shots?

Thanks btw on the pet spec

[Deleted]

Skip go for the throat and your pet dps does doooooooown, its a no brainer talent that all specs should have atleast 1 point in.

[Jinjer]

I was BM up until I hit lvl 78 then I respecced to MM which was really hard for me cause I loved being a BM - alot of those talents are just awesome. However, respeccing to MM has made my dps more competitive =) So, for raiding, I always use my wolf and the phoenix talent comes in very handy, especially if you put talent points in extra dmg while pet is active. That way you dont waste time and dps rezzing your pet on a boss fight.

[Patty]

Just instead of endurance training go thick hide.

Pet: http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...00103010122&bm

I wouldn't go Phoenix spec unless your pet dies A Lot.

I would never spec that anyway.. If your pet dies it's becouse the player is doing something wrong.. If your pet gets in trouble pull it back and give it a heal..

[Deleted]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...BYFh,O8y,10747

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http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cud00scz0hoRb

and no i dont think its a viable specc for serious raiding unless you have a total lack of ret paladins for the 3% dmg buff

[Daginni]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...BYFh,O8y,10747

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http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cud00scz0hoRb

and no i dont think its a viable specc for serious raiding unless you have a total lack of ret paladins for the 3% dmg buff

Most guilds hate Rets as much as they hate BM Hunters.

[Chrizesu]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...BYFh,O8y,10747

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http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cud00scz0hoRb

and no i dont think its a viable specc for serious raiding unless you have a total lack of ret paladins for the 3% dmg buff

Lol, dash and charge is overkill together, but that one point doesn't have much of an impact where you put it.

Ok, here's my spreadsheet dps lookup. Pet set at THIS. 3.3 changes enabled. No viper. Self Buffs only and HM.
1. Spec Overall DPS: 2772.59 Pet DPS: 948.62
2. Spec Overall DPS: 2852.80 Pet DPS: 986.18
3. Spec Overall DPS: 2865.35 Pet DPS: 1010.66
4. Spec Overall DPS: 2966.15 Pet DPS: 1010.33
5. Spec Overall DPS: 2768.91 Pet DPS: 1058.19

Yes, I know the test hunter kind of sucks, not my main. The last spec I listed is a bit of a joke. It's an aspect of the beast only build.

Oh, and my surv build is spreadsheeting at 3297.53.

[Cracka_Bob]

Lol, dash and charge is overkill together, but that one point doesn't have much of an impact where you put it.

Ok, here's my spreadsheet dps lookup. Pet set at THIS. 3.3 changes enabled. No viper. Self Buffs only and HM.
1. Spec Overall DPS: 2772.59 Pet DPS: 948.62
2. Spec Overall DPS: 2852.80 Pet DPS: 986.18
3. Spec Overall DPS: 2865.35 Pet DPS: 1010.66
4. Spec Overall DPS: 2966.15 Pet DPS: 1010.33
5. Spec Overall DPS: 2768.91 Pet DPS: 1058.19

Yes, I know the test hunter kind of sucks, not my main. The last spec I listed is a bit of a joke. It's an aspect of the beast only build.

Oh, and my surv build is spreadsheeting at 3297.53.

and you got low dps on all of them. most likely its cause you have a bad spec, bad pet spec, wrong gems, wrong priority, or any combination of these

proper hunter spec: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...WpfX,O8y,10747

proper pet spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cubz0scz0hoRb

or this if fluffy dies a lot: http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cud00fc00hoRb

proper shot priority: BW (duh) > kill > arcane > multi > serpent > steady

i usually wait till there is 3-4 secs left on serpent to refresh, however, if serpent is about to run out and a shot is off CD use the shot (or shots) 1st and never wait to use a shot... even if theres .2 secs left on the CD, go ahead and use steady shot one more time

and of course always gem for AP not Agi (until blizz makes Agi more attractive to BM) and use a +10 stats gem in a socket that you need the bonus for

[Zephonim]

and you got low dps on all of them. most likely its cause you have a bad spec, bad pet spec, wrong gems, wrong priority, or any combination of these

proper hunter spec: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...WpfX,O8y,10747

proper pet spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cubz0scz0hoRb

or this if fluffy dies a lot: http://www.wowhead.com/?petcalc#cud00fc00hoRb

proper shot priority: BW (duh) > kill > arcane > multi > serpent > steady

i usually wait till there is 3-4 secs left on serpent to refresh, however, if serpent is about to run out and a shot is off CD use the shot (or shots) 1st and never wait to use a shot... even if theres .2 secs left on the CD, go ahead and use steady shot one more time

and of course always gem for AP not Agi (until blizz makes Agi more attractive to BM) and use a +10 stats gem in a socket that you need the bonus for

Thanks for the tips, but is the sockets worth getting AP? And is it worth prioretizing stats like Haste or Armor Penetration? (Probably a stupid question just want to get sure :P)
I just wanna know so I can pass/need on armor penetration trinkets like Banner of Victory or Mjolnirs Runestone.
Or to see if I can get more trinkets the proc AP.

Also, wanted to check, I know devilsaur does the most DPS, but is a spirit beast worth using? Or is it a pvp pet?
I want one like Skoll, since he looks so freaking cool xD

I appoligize for noob questions and bad spelling, I just wanna get all facts straight so I can go raid and people don't go berzerk on my ass and flame calling me a noob and to f**k off.

[Cracka_Bob]

ur a noob f**k off

just playin... back to seriousness

ALWAYS gem AP... ignore socket bonuses except when looking for a place to put the +10 stats gem (also forgot to mention.... use the agi/crit increase meta)

spirit beast is a novelty pet... end of story

as BM, haste is the LAST thing you want (on gems anyways) but if haste is on the gear (this goes for ArP also) then it wont hurt... again... dont gem or enchant for haste or ArP; if its on the gear, awesome, if not, oh well

your main stats are AP and crit, i would suggest downloading an addon called geardps for item comparison and another called rating buster

geardps puts a numerical value (number) in the tooltip of gear and some trinkets (you will have to use your own judgement on trinkets that have procs and no passive stat)... higher the number, the better it is for you (will update itself based on talents)

but for items that are really close in value, rating buster shows a stat breakdown of the item... for example, 15 agility will look like this: +15 agility(x% crit, 15 AP)

having both of these addons is really great when choosing gear

[Patty]

Thanks for the tips, but is the sockets worth getting AP? And is it worth prioretizing stats like Haste or Armor Penetration? (Probably a stupid question just want to get sure :P)
I just wanna know so I can pass/need on armor penetration trinkets like Banner of Victory or Mjolnirs Runestone.
Or to see if I can get more trinkets the proc AP.

Also, wanted to check, I know devilsaur does the most DPS, but is a spirit beast worth using? Or is it a pvp pet?
I want one like Skoll, since he looks so freaking cool xD

I appoligize for noob questions and bad spelling, I just wanna get all facts straight so I can go raid and people don't go berzerk on my ass and flame calling me a noob and to f**k off.

People are gonna flame you hard for using BM for Pve above Heroic 5 mans.. The spec is not even close to being worth it comparde to Survival and MM when you get the gear for that.. But you pay the gametime for the account.. so you of course decide what to do.. Its not like it was in TBc though.. Not even close.. And thank god for that.. Spamming steadyshot with Kill Command macrod into it was not exiting at all..

[Cracka_Bob]

People are gonna flame you hard for using BM for Pve above Heroic 5 mans.. The spec is not even close to being worth it comparde to Survival and MM when you get the gear for that.. But you pay the gametime for the account.. so you of course decide what to do.. Its not like it was in TBc though.. Not even close.. And thank god for that.. Spamming steadyshot with Kill Command macrod into it was not exiting at all..

id like to note that i was in a 25 man ToC group with an MM (with only slightly better gear) and a SV hunter (a lot better gear) and both myself and the MM were VERY close on dps with the SV dragging behind by about... maybe 200-300 dps (sometimes more)

[Heltoray]

if the sv/mm isn't at least 1000 dps ahead with comparable gear, he is doing something terribly wrong. BM sucks at DPS and playing it sucks even more. For some fights (see Ulduar) it is nothing but a pain in the ass, but who would seriously try dpsing with that spec anyways... it has always been the noob huntard spec and that won't change.

[Cracka_Bob]

if the sv/mm isn't at least 1000 dps ahead with comparable gear, he is doing something terribly wrong. BM sucks at DPS and playing it sucks even more. For some fights (see Ulduar) it is nothing but a pain in the ass, but who would seriously try dpsing with that spec anyways...

me... and maybe its because i know more about playing BM than they know about playing SV.... whatever the excuse is... the fact still remains

[Fenixhart]

but who would seriously try dpsing with that spec anyways... it has always been the noob huntard spec and that won't change.

Because some people Feel more drawn to the Pet aspect of the Hunter. The same people would also like a Spec that was once more than Viable to once again be competitive.

I'm sure you'd feel the same if MM or SV was gutted.