Where did all the hard bosses go we had back in classic??

[darksöul]

Im wondering where did alle the nice hard bosses go?? today most of the boss fights are just focusing on gear not skills.. ???

[DakeshiSB]

Gear makes you immune to snobolds fire in the gormok encounter?!

No really. bosses in vanilla were ridicilously easy compared.

[Melonberry]

We had hard bosses in classic? I remember faceroll with no dps/healing requirements. Tank and spank everything. Are you talking about some other game?

[Battousai]

Really?

Since when was Vael skill? People glorify the vanilla wow bosses, but in reality they were all mostly tank and spank with some of them having a multi-add phase. There were only a few encounters with a creative twist.

Really think back to MC and BWL...how many bosses weren't a los the boss and dps the hell out of him while half your healers were spamming and half were cleansing.

There were a few really good encounters in vanilla wow most of them in AQ40 and Naxx 40. You simply remember vanilla as the good ol days...when in actuality the blizz devs have evolved with the player base and vice versa...the encounters now are much more involved...which multiple phases.

[Dessan]

Seen the thing about those guys who did Yogg with all blue gear? Do that. Then ask again.

[yaij9841]

Im wondering where did alle the nice hard bosses go?? today most of the boss fights are just focusing on gear not skills.. ???

a little thing called DBM made them all trivial.

[Deleted]

So Darksoul, when did you start playing and where is your armory link?

[Herecius]

They all vanished when more than a single talent tree for each class, especially the hybrid classes, became viable. They also disappeared when people started learning how to play and when DBM became standard-issue. Take a few of today's raiders back in time, set them all to 60 and make them play through the raids... eh, they may wipe a few times, but they'll likely all down it on 'day one'

[Aknot]

Im wondering where did alle the nice hard bosses go?? today most of the boss fights are just focusing on gear not skills.. ???

Could you please break down all the skill fights please? Then could you also list the gear fights please? Could you also let me know does skill include reading up on strats done by other people to include using third party programs to enhance that skill or does skill mean you did it fresh with limited input from outside sources?

[Aureon]

where are the good old trolls?
Vanilla raiding wasn't skill based. it was TIME based. farm 2h+ /day or null.

[Helmetshell]

Yeah cos in 3.0 sarth+3 wasnt hard at all. fair faceroll imo.

That said my whole guild downed freya+3/firefighter/yogg+1/algy/yogg+0 in such a short time it just proves that bosses are easy now. You know its so easy, even my level 10 alt has mimirons head. I mean its just so faceroll.

AND dont even get me started on 25man TOC! although a brilliantly designed raid, tribute to immortality was a piece of piss.

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Lets not forget that mimi PRE NERF was an extremely hard encounter. yogg+0 took 3 months to down, and thats with wowhead/dbm/the other 60million addons you use to make your life easier.

Alone in the darkness is debatably the hardest encounter ever produced. And remember that cthun doesnt count in that as it was not possible to down him pre nerf.

tl;dr = lolwut?

[Upptagen]

I don't really like the hardmode stuff. TBC was the best expansion, even if I didn't kill KJ. But that's just my opinion, one out off 10 millions. (which soon will be 8 millions, after ICC) WoW population was biggest in TBC.

[Kalx]

vanilla fights were "easy" because of the amount of players for a raid. 40 players induces to a much larger error margin, more player, more people doing wrong things, yet, it was doable

I cleared molten core on pugs while wearing quest blues and greens, and people wouldn't bother, so the requeriments for raiding were MUCH less than today (where you need to be full-epic geared to be accepted by others in your first raid)

I'd say today's raiding is MUCH harder, but the players are also "better". on that age we didn't have 138047 sites with strategies and BiS gear listings, and all the theorycrafting that we have today

[Cronic420]

wiping on bloodboil for a month was ez-mode...

[Yellowbull]

The nice bosses are still in their instances.. sipping the.. as they can take some rest as the gear they hold is shit now.

Your looking at this the wrong way..

Bosses didnt get easier.. you got better

[Gigajot]

Really?

Since when was Vael skill? People glorify the vanilla wow bosses, but in reality they were all mostly tank and spank with some of them having a multi-add phase. There were only a few encounters with a creative twist.

Really think back to MC and BWL...how many bosses weren't a los the boss and dps the hell out of him while half your healers were spamming and half were cleansing.

There were a few really good encounters in vanilla wow most of them in AQ40 and Naxx 40. You simply remember vanilla as the good ol days...when in actuality the blizz devs have evolved with the player base and vice versa...the encounters now are much more involved...which multiple phases.

[Shamb]

Hard bosses never disapeared...
1-wow population got more skilled and full of add-ons.
2-Thousands of guides and walkthrough explaining every possible way to beat a boss...
3-Vanilla bosses were mostly jokes...

Some TBC bosses were hardcore and I LOVED those encounters. I do think BC was probably the best expansion for raiding, but it is not due to WotLK being boringly easy.
It's more due to nostalgy and the guild I was in back then.


Also... Elitist jerks. NOt much else to add, just go there check talent tree, glyphs and rotation and even if ur a total noob, you will do enough dps. That kinda easy to find ressources were not available back in Vanilla... And the few that was available was not as widely known.

[slimdaking44]

It is ridiculous how much help you can get from websites now. There is a thousand websites that will tell you how to play your class, how to spec, what gear, gems, enchants, flasks and food is best for you. They tell you what each boss does, how often he does it and 10 different ways to deal with it. Of course if you are too lazy to read that you can go hit up youtube, type in how to and the boss and you will get a bunch of videos that walk you through the bossfight explaining every step clearly. There are so many challenges in this game still that it is idiotic to think that all the hard bosses are in the past. Also if you really need a challenge take the advice of Kungen and when a patch comes out walk into the raid without anyone knowing reading anything about the fight online and just try doing the bossfights without DBM to help you and learning on the fly.

The one thing that I will say about making things easier is that every class in each expansion had to "evolve" and change enough to make them interesting which involved giving them ridiculous skills that would make pre-bc raiding insanely easy. In pre-bc there was not stuff like Heroism to make the hard parts of the fight shorter.

[Deleted]

I cant remember how hard those fights back in vanilla were...

I slept trough the entire instance every time...

[Fenixdown]

I don't really like the hardmode stuff. TBC was the best expansion, even if I didn't kill KJ. But that's just my opinion, one out off 10 millions. (which soon will be 8 millions, after ICC) WoW population was biggest in TBC.

Correction, WoW population was the biggest on the announcement of Wrath during BC. Just because a huge player boom happened does not mean that the content was better and everyone enjoyed it. Most of that boom was either still leveling or was only able to do Karazhan until Wrath launched. Hardly any of the new people that made the ranks reach the 11.5 million plateau stepped into Sunwell except to clear trash.

As to the OP, vanilla bosses were a joke compared to anything else. The difference was gear itemization and mods. Go do a new raid boss without your entire raid having DBM, Decursive, Omen, and everything else and tell me Wrath content is "ezmode". Hell I was in 5 epics doing AQ40 just to fill a space in the raid back in the day.

Gear isn't stacked with spirit and resistance all over it like back then, and mods aren't nearly as much of a bannable offense as they were back then. You obviously never actually raided in vanilaa WoW's days, or you would know the answer to your own question to be that everything up until about C'Thun level wasn't hard at all unless it was a reisistance gear check.