Shadowmourne from 10-man Heroic?

[FuriousFox]

Since it seems Shadowmourne will be available from 25-man normal modes, do you think there is any chance Blizzard would make the weapon available for the 10-man Heroic version of ICC? Historically, the two have always awarded the same iLvl of gear, typically even with some BiS pieces in the 10-man Heroic version.

I've been monitoring some of the posts on the official forums on the subject, and one of the major concerns seems to be that 25-man guilds would farm 10-mans to get the legendary faster, but I really don't think that would be a problem. There's only 3 things that need to be farmed in the quest chain: Primordial Saronite (which doesn't bind, so you could just buy these off the AH if you needed them), souls (which can already be obtained from either 10 or 25), and Shadowfrost Shards (which is pretty much the only real problem).

The Shadowfrost Shard problem could be easily fixed by splitting the quest chain in 2 at that spot, giving a "The Splintered Throne (Heroic 10 Player)" quest and a "The Splintered Throne (25 Player)" quest. The 25 player version would be exactly the same as the one that exists now, and the Heroic 10-man version would simply have you collecting similar shards (same name and icon, but different ID) from 10-man Heroic bosses. You'd only be able to choose one of the quests, and both would lead back into the same spot of the questline.

This would allow both Heroic 10-man groups and 25-man groups to obtain Shadowmourne without forcing 25-man groups to do any more 10-mans than they'd already need to do.

[Herecius]

Nope.

EDIT: Shadowmourne is frankly far too powerful to be awarded through any sort of 10-man raiding. Basically.

[Marithas]

they didnt for val'anyr, dont see why they would now

[pande]

They actually specifically stated there would be no Shadowmourne related stuff in the 10 man.

There is also a blue post from several months ago stating they never plan to have legendaries in 10 mans.

[golbez]

Never in Blizzard language means in one year.

[Nexus2089]

Never in Blizzard language means in one year.

still means no for shadowmourne, caster legendary however every scrub will have from 10 man and will just be an epic with orange letters

[Yooya]

Never. Ever. Ever.

[klondikebear]

the saronite will probably drop from 10heroic and be purchasable with badges, but you would have to do the questline in 25's to finish it

[Naxcis]

10 man content =/= easier

I dont know where people get that from, the 25 raiders probably think that going into a 10 man with 25 gear.. yeah it is gunna be easier then BECAUSE YOU OUTGEAR THE PLACE

[Fecys]

Yeah sure... here we go again. 10 man is ONLY easier because ppl have 25 man gear... sure.

It's not for nothing that 25 man drops higher ilvl gear...

[Lassy]

Yeah sure... here we go again. 10 man is ONLY easier because ppl have 25 man gear... sure.

It's not for nothing that 25 man drops higher ilvl gear...

Indeed, if they dropped equal gear nobody would ever raid 25mans again because between dinner being ready, the cat wating to go outside, the printer catchig on fire, the wife agro and the 5 people you have to carry there's just so much fun to be had, right?

I'd be mighty pleased if 'mourne would be accessible to 10man raiders in the proper gear. Y'know, like the tribute achievement in ToC.

[Larivas]

The added difficulty is getting 25 people together and getting them to do what they're supposed to. Just because they drop higher ilvl doesn't mean they're harder to do. Ex, sarth +3 10 vs 25 before people started zerging it.

I'd like shadowmourne in heroic 10 ICC, but I know it won't happen.

[Gressil]

The added difficulty is getting 25 people together and getting them to do what they're supposed to.

Well, you know, the reduced difficulty of 10 mans is getting 15 less people together and getting them to do what they're supposed to.
c wut i did thar ?

Sarth 10 3d vs Sarth 25 3d shouldn't be the comparison because the encounter wasn't designed properly. It required an X amount of tanks for 25 man, while it STILL required X amount of tanks for 10 man. It was a problem on the design that made it harder. It's as if 4 horsemene needed 4 plate/druid tanks to tank them on 25 man, and still requiring 4 plate/druid tanks for 10 man. In the first case 16% of your raid members need to be plate/druid tanks, while on the second case 40% of your raid needs to be plate/druid tanks. See the difference?

So, in essence only sarth 3d was harder on 10 man than 25. Any other hard mode is harder on 25 man, for obvious reasons.

[Thundercougr]

Nope.

EDIT: Shadowmourne is frankly far too powerful to be awarded through any sort of 10-man raiding. Basically.

10man Heroic ToGC awards same Ilevel gear as 25 ToC. It makes sense for it to be awarded through 10 ICC Heroic.

[Ihsatakar]

Icecrown 10m doesn't make sense in the first place.

[shakeme]

10 man content =/= easier

I dont know where people get that from, the 25 raiders probably think that going into a 10 man with 25 gear.. yeah it is gunna be easier then BECAUSE YOU OUTGEAR THE PLACE

so then, in practice, it's easier.

by the numbers
A Tribute to Insanity (10) - ~5000 guilds worldwide
A Tribute to Insanity (25) - ~300 guilds worldwide

[Strykzor]

Casual with legendary, get lost.

[Pally power]

Wow, kinda sucks that I'll never get Shadmourne just because my guild can only do 10-mans, and barely. Not like we'd ever get that far anyways. D:

Maybe Blizzard could have all 25-man items be transformed into their 10-man equivalents when people who do 25-mans go into the 10-mans? Or have the difficulty increased if players far outgear the instance (but only to a certain point, don't need players QQing that they can't do Naxx becasue they're all TotGC geared or something like that).

Seems kinda unfair for them to lock out the orange goodies to guilds who don't have 25 players and don't like pugging.

[Sabrescene]

Casual with legendary, get lost.

10m doesn't mean you're casual, up until recently I was raiding quite a lot in a small guild. I've done 25-man and 10-man versions of most of the raids atm, and I honestly prefer 10-man. Not because it's easy or quicker, but because it's just more enjoyable to raid with a small group of friends as you work your way through the game.
Yes I see the need for a higher level of gear in 25-mans, mostly because you're competing for gear against 24 people instead of 9, but considering that 10-mans when tuned correctly can be just as tough as 25's, I think legendaries should be obtainable in both (even if just in hard modes). Even if to make it fair, the 10-man version was harder to obtain, or had slightly lower stats (like heroic versions of ToC gear)

[meag333]

10 man content is easier than 25 man content. Blizzard is trying to keep legendaries somewhat exclusive since epics have gone to everyone. I mean the mace wasn't that hard to obtain, it was mostly RnG you had to work with. The Axe will be grindier with less RnG. Either way, let the legendaries be legendary and stay 25 man. If it was 10 man, even if they made it a bit harder to obtain, it would still make it so alot more people would have them, and make it feel alot less legendary.