Engineering as Ret PvE

[Dantia.]

Engineering > All other proffs

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[Kelarian]

Sorry, but you're doing it wrong.

It's not "24 Crit from Rocketboots + 23 Agi Cape + Rocket Hands Damage VS. +42 STR."
It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage vs. 42 str + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands.

You'll have to always assume that any non-Engineerer worth his salt will have their boots/cape/hands enchanted with something else. Like 32 ap to boots, 45 ap to gloves, 22 agi to cape, etc.

No, you are doing it wrong. Ewhenn compared one profession to another. You, on the other hand, are comparing two professions to one. To put it in your terms, it should be:

It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands vs. 42 str + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands.

Now, when comparing apples to apples, which looks better?

To be honest, it should actually be:

It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage + Bomb belt damage + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands vs. 42 str + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands.

[Swampmoose]

No, you are doing it wrong. Ewhenn compared one profession to another. You, on the other hand, are comparing two professions to one. To put it in your terms, it should be:

It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands vs. 42 str + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands.

Now, when comparing apples to apples, which looks better?

To be honest, it should actually be:

That is incorrect. Sengura had it right. When you have JC or BSing, you will also have an enchant on your boots, cloak, gloves. With engineering, you are REPLACING those with engineering specific enchants/items. When comparing Engi with JC or BSing, you would not assume that the person with JC or BSing was not using any enchants on their boots, cloak, or gloves would you? So in fact it is JC Gems + Regular Enchants or BSing Sockets + Regular Enchants vs. Engineering Items/Abilities (which do not include Regular Enchants because they are being replaced)

It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage + Bomb belt damage + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands vs. 42 str + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands.

You can not have engineering enchants coupled with regular enchants in those same gear slots. See above.

[Ronark]

That is incorrect. Sengura had it right. When you have JC or BSing, you will also have an enchant on your boots, cloak, gloves. With engineering, you are REPLACING those with engineering specific enchants/items. When comparing Engi with JC or BSing, you would not assume that the person with JC or BSing was not using any enchants on their boots, cloak, or gloves would you? So in fact it is JC Gems + Regular Enchants or BSing Sockets + Regular Enchants vs. Engineering Items/Abilities (which do not include Regular Enchants because they are being replaced)

You can not have engineering enchants coupled with regular enchants in those same gear slots. See above.

Sorry, but both the engineering cloak and boots have the BiS enchants on them as well- Cloak gives +23 agility as opposed to 22 agility from the enchant, and the boots give +24 Crit Rating as opposed to 34 AP or 12 Crit Rating. The only tinker that does not stack is the hand enchant, which is arguably better than the AP gain form the enchant.

Also, the Engineering Belt DOES stack with the Eternal Belt Buckle.

[Swampmoose]

Sorry, but both the engineering cloak and boots have the BiS enchants on them as well- Cloak gives +23 agility as opposed to 22 agility from the enchant, and the boots give +24 Crit Rating as opposed to 34 AP or 12 Crit Rating. The only tinker that does not stack is the hand enchant, which is arguably better than the AP gain form the enchant.

Also, the Engineering Belt DOES stack with the Eternal Belt Buckle.

The argument isn't whether or not the engineering enchant is BiS or not.

"It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage + Bomb belt damage + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands"

implies you can stack 24 crit and icewalker, 23 and 22 agi for 45 agi, 44ap and rockets. That is wrong or everyone would have engineering. The only valid one is the buckle and the Engineering belt.

[Ronark]

The argument isn't whether or not the engineering enchant is BiS or not.

"It's 24 crit to boots + 23 agi cape + rocket hand damage + Bomb belt damage + enchanter enchanted boots + enchanter enchanted cape + enchanter enchanted hands"

implies you can stack 24 crit and icewalker, 23 and 22 agi for 45 agi, 44ap and rockets. That is wrong or everyone would have engineering. The only valid one is the buckle and the Engineering belt.

Ok the post I quoted from you sounded like you were saying that there was no stat bonus on the boots and the cape.