3.3 - Ephemeral Snowflake - Best in Slot?

[xGLxAnubis]

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50260/ephemeral-snowflake/


On the PTR it's confirmed that:

Procs on HoT ticks
Procs on Overheals


That's amazing for druids. Haven't confirmed if it works for Paladins JoL yet (If anyone knows, please say!), but right now it looks that for Druids and Pallies it'll be AMAZING, if not BiS. Regardless of what drops in ICC, it's going to be very hard to replace the raw mana efficiency of this trinket.

Rejuve - 446 Mana cost - 66 mana back - 15% mana reduction
Lifebloom - 292 (effective) Mana cost - 110 mana back - 47% mana reduction (Doesn't work that way rolling a triple stack I'd assume. With a triple stack you're looking more along the lines of 20% reduction)
Regrowth - 719 Mana cost - 110 mana back - 15% mana reduction
Wild growth - 643 Mana cost - 462 Mana back (In 25 mans, It will 6 targets, 7 times) - 72% mana reduction

Is it just me, or does that seem AMAZING? If you're really hard up for mana, you can also use the 213 Rejuve trinket (I still use it on fights like Twin Valks so that I can give another healer Innervate), Rejuve gets bumped up to a 18% mana reduction as well. Right now in 25's I rarely use my own innervate and save it for other healers. With this trinket, I could lose some regen and still not have to worry about going OOM, while saving Innervate for someone else as well. The use effect might not be all that great, but the mana alone you're getting from this thing is well worth it IMO.

[xebtria]

if it really works that way, it should be BiS for sure. together with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45703 and the rejuv idol this is gonna be redicilous (meh the spelling) overpowered. you can pull a shitload of heals with a very low manacost/high manarestore. so you can pump even more heal to anything.


if it would work with JoL this would be amazing again.

the best thing is, it drops in 5 mans and generally you should be able to get it without trouble, it "just" has to drop.

[Beeblebrox]

ehm, you guys really having mana problems? Why should one of those trinkets be BiS?

Throughput > all

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47432/s...of-the-fallen/ is much better than these "reggen-only" trinkets...I'd even prefer http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/40432/i...e-dragon-soul/ which is STILL BiS regarding throuhput...

Those reggen trinkets are nice if you have real mana issues, which shouldn't be the case with the current gear...you don't heal anybody by just having 10k mana left AFTER the fight, but your spellpower does...get good gear, time your inervate and just stack spellpower...

[xGLxAnubis]

ehm, you guys really having mana problems? Why should one of those trinkets be BiS?

Throughput > all

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47432/s...of-the-fallen/ is much better than these "reggen-only" trinkets...I'd even prefer http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/40432/i...e-dragon-soul/ which is STILL BiS regarding throuhput...

Those reggen trinkets are nice if you have real mana issues, which shouldn't be the case with the current gear...you don't heal anybody by just having 10k mana left AFTER the fight, but your spellpower does...get good gear, time your inervate and just stack spellpower...

You clearly didn't read my post, maybe just the title or something?

I don't have mana issues. When I use the 106 mana reduction for Rejuve, I don't even need my own innervate. What would be AWESOME, is if instead of solely worrying about myself, I could ENSURE innervate goes to another healer. Priests and shamans aren't nearly as mana efficient as druids, and being able to make sure they never go OOM, my raid becomes that much more effective.

With this trinket, you can completely ignore ANYTHING that gives you mana regen, and focus that much more on SP. Theoretically, you also would never need to use your own innervate, meaning another healer in the raid gets it instead, which means that's another healer who gets to continue healing.

And about throughput... I already overheal a ton. On fights like Twin Valks ALOT of my healing is overheal. If I had 200 more SP, it wouldn't affect my healing all together that much. Being able to not go OOM > 200 SP.

[zox]

on use effect is pretty bad though... if it were SP.... ow

[PewPewLazorz]

..shamans aren't nearly as mana efficient as druids..

Heh, Shamans can go oom?

Meh, if the use/equip were switched out this would be OP. ;p

[Dapuh]

Heh, Shamans can go oom?

let water shield drop?

[o_0]

Bump any word on JoL procing this ?

[Ajonos]

I wonder if it works for a Shadow Priest's Vampric Embrace? >.> That would be ridiculous. A Devouring Plague for instance hits 8 times per cast, each hit triggering 5 heals, for 440 mana returned every time.

...not that mana's really a problem for them, I just think it'd be funny.

[Cerelli]

ehm, you guys really having mana problems? Why should one of those trinkets be BiS?

Throughput > all

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47432/s...of-the-fallen/ is much better than these "reggen-only" trinkets...I'd even prefer http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/40432/i...e-dragon-soul/ which is STILL BiS regarding throuhput...

Those reggen trinkets are nice if you have real mana issues, which shouldn't be the case with the current gear...you don't heal anybody by just having 10k mana left AFTER the fight, but your spellpower does...get good gear, time your inervate and just stack spellpower...

lets you drop all of those items with spirit on them in favor of items with a greater SP/haste/crit budget

[fabian]

Want to know something more? Since it is a ilvl 232, that means it comes from the heroic 5 mans, so less competition and it would be easier to get.

[sequitor]

Druids never have mana problems... I wouldn't give 200 sp up for that trinket.

[xebtria]

lets you drop all of those items with spirit on them in favor of items with a greater SP/haste/crit budget

^this.

going to ninja the dps items from moonkins, brb

[xGLxAnubis]

I wonder if it works for a Shadow Priest's Vampric Embrace? >.> That would be ridiculous. A Devouring Plague for instance hits 8 times per cast, each hit triggering 5 heals, for 440 mana returned every time.

...not that mana's really a problem for them, I just think it'd be funny.

It was confirmed on PTRs that it does. When anyone get's healed due to VE, it procs the mana back. I assume it works on Dev plague as well, but it wasn't mentioned specifically.

Druids never have mana problems... I wouldn't give 200 sp up for that trinket.

People really need to L2Read entire threads. You don't have mana problems but I'm willing to bet that A. You use your innervate on yourself whenever possible and/or B. You have a decent amount of spirit/MP5 gear and trinkets. being able to drop ALL of that for a single trinket, means you should net more than 200 SP in itemization.

[Ninsanba]

Freakin sweet. Now I need to spam run 5-mans until I get TWO trinkets for both my paladin (ret/holy) and my druid (cat/resto).

[Greshapa]

http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50260/ephemeral-snowflake/


On the PTR it's confirmed that:

Procs on HoT ticks
Procs on Overheals


That's amazing for druids. Haven't confirmed if it works for Paladins JoL yet (If anyone knows, please say!), but right now it looks that for Druids and Pallies it'll be AMAZING, if not BiS. Regardless of what drops in ICC, it's going to be very hard to replace the raw mana efficiency of this trinket.

Rejuve - 446 Mana cost - 66 mana back - 15% mana reduction
Lifebloom - 292 (effective) Mana cost - 110 mana back - 47% mana reduction (Doesn't work that way rolling a triple stack I'd assume. With a triple stack you're looking more along the lines of 20% reduction)
Regrowth - 719 Mana cost - 110 mana back - 15% mana reduction
Wild growth - 643 Mana cost - 462 Mana back (In 25 mans, It will 6 targets, 7 times) - 72% mana reduction

Is it just me, or does that seem AMAZING? If you're really hard up for mana, you can also use the 213 Rejuve trinket (I still use it on fights like Twin Valks so that I can give another healer Innervate), Rejuve gets bumped up to a 18% mana reduction as well. Right now in 25's I rarely use my own innervate and save it for other healers. With this trinket, I could lose some regen and still not have to worry about going OOM, while saving Innervate for someone else as well. The use effect might not be all that great, but the mana alone you're getting from this thing is well worth it IMO.

I disagree. at high gear levels mana is not a big issue. Stacking SP trinkets will always be best.
On a second note, Other people should not need your innervate. Other healers have their own built in mana restorers.

[Shahh]

Will be BIS at low gear levels like spark of hope. At decent gear levels, need sp trinkets.

[Eis]

I disagree. at high gear levels mana is not a big issue. Stacking SP trinkets will always be best.
On a second note, Other people should not need your innervate. Other healers have their own built in mana restorers.

Hi, I'm a holy priest, and I <3 me some innervates. More mana means a lot more heals for me.

PS saying always isn't always a good idea. Things change.

[thoukaia]

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CONFIRMED TO NOT PROC FROM JUDGEMENT OF LIGHT.

Druids, enjoy your awesome trinket like you did with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45703 while we paladins bathe in our own tears, hoping for an intellect trinket to show up in the loot lists.

[boneschaman]

amazing as a t10 resto shaman. each chainheal places a hot on every target plus the living weapon proc and watershield procs it should be impossible to run oom