2 armor penetration trinkets?

[VirtuousX]

I was in FoS HC today and got the new Needle-Encrusted Scorpion arp trinket. I already have Mjolnir Runestone and I decided to dps some training dummy. Then I saw that they both procced and my arp went up to 2200 so they do stack right? Would it be a good idea to switch arp gems and arp stuff to agi ones?

[Wenger]

I wouldn't use both trinkets. You would have to get rid of tons of ArP on gear and when your trinkets are both in down time you would have so little ArP your dps would drop. I still don't know which is better, ruenstone or scorpion, but definitely only use one.

[XenofeiThrice]

Is it pointless to use a trinket like Needle/Mjolnir if you are not gemming towards ArPen?

I only ask because the crit on it is really nice and I feel like it would be better then Vengeance of the Forsaken?

[Indilgo]

Scorpion Trinket is better, more Crit and ArP.

[coldbear]

A fair number of people are facing this same issue:

http://rawr.codeplex.com/Thread/View...ThreadId=77638

The issues are
* what's the best alternative for your situation if you choose not to double up on ArPen proc trinkets?
* how often will the procs double up

* do you have the gear to hardcap and not lose too much other stats?
* would you lose more from not doubling up than you would from facing occasional wasted over-cap ArPen?

If you want numbers on this you'd have to dig into Toskk, Rawr or Simulation Craft - I have no idea if they model this correctly, but I know people are trying to find out. Find those knowledgeable people on the respective webpages and they might already have the answer.

EDIT 2: It IS possible to offset trinket procs if you know exactly what the internal CD is and when exactly you will go into combat. YMMV. This is a ton of trouble to go to, but not far from how the double-Speed-potion trick works.

[Atty]

Scorpion Trinket is better, more Crit and ArP.

And a preposterously low proc chance.

[Sunshine]

Then I saw that they both procced and my arp went up to 2200 so they do stack right?

The number will stack... but it's capped at 100%, which is 1400 rating. Anything beyond that is just wasted.

[Jon]

And a preposterously low proc chance.

It only procs on crits, Mjolnir can proc on all hits. Rawr says Mjolnir > Scorpion trinket for ferals. For other classes the difference should be even bigger, as kitties have the best crit chance.

[Nenaunir]

If you already have Mjolnir's Runestone keep on using Runestone. The proc on it simply more reliable.

If you we're using Grim Toll previously it's worth swapping to Needle though, especially since for me at least the hit on Grim Toll is going to waste.

[Nassam]

Scorpion Trinket is better, more Crit and ArP.

more crit = good thing
procs on crit with 10% instead of on hit with 15% for mjolnir = bad thing
more arp on proc = bad thing

if you gain more arp on proc, then you have less "static" arp outside of trinket uptime, so you do less dps when the proc is not up ... cqfd

[getefix]

If you already have Mjolnir's Runestone keep on using Runestone. The proc on it simply more reliable.

If you we're using Grim Toll previously it's worth swapping to Needle though, especially since for me at least the hit on Grim Toll is going to waste.

Personally I like having a lower proc amount. It allows me to have more ArPen when the proc is down.

[Tharkkun]

When you have near 65% crit buffed I don't think you're going be worrying about this trinket proc'ing.

[Ruan]

I was in FoS HC today and got the new Needle-Encrusted Scorpion arp trinket. I already have Mjolnir Runestone and I decided to dps some training dummy. Then I saw that they both procced and my arp went up to 2200 so they do stack right? Would it be a good idea to switch arp gems and arp stuff to agi ones?

If anyone else rolled need on that, you screwed them, epicly.

[Chimpzilla]

If anyone else rolled need on that, you screwed them, epicly.

Who knows. Maybe other people who rolled on it were in same situations as OP. Not to mention it's not like running a heroic once a day for a drop is the end of the world.

My vote would be to not use both trinkets though. With both it seems some times you'd have a lot of wasted armor pen and at other times you'd be pretty low on armor pen if you socketed/geared with the expectation of both procing at same time.

[Elunedra]

whit al the gear iv seen to sofar i do wonder if its not better to take 2 trinkets whit like 150 ArP on enquip and full T10 set and some offset items and see how much ArP u can actualy get lol

hardcap FTW

[Cheezee]

When you have near 65% crit buffed I don't think you're going be worrying about this trinket proc'ing.

Buffed? I'm over 63% crit self buffed.

Op, the general consensus is to either soft cap arp with one trinket or go for the hard cap with no proc trinkets. Either way you don't want to use two arp proc trinkets.

[Shamanskii]

whit al the gear iv seen to sofar i do wonder if its not better to take 2 trinkets whit like 150 ArP on enquip and full T10 set and some offset items and see how much ArP u can actualy get lol

hardcap FTW

it should and it´s easy to become hard caped with ICC loot

[Skrum]

Scorpion Trinket is better, more Crit and ArP.

Well tbh it's not. Scorpion only has a 10% proc chance of CRITS while Mjolnir has a 15% proc chance of HITS

[daveb123]

Imo, its much better to gem to 52% and then get scorpion. As a kitty, i certainly have nps proccing with 66% crit. Once the trink procs you'll get 100% arp, then you can start to move onto new gear with actual arp on it and then you can regem agi which is the ownage.

The new tier 10s, knightbane carapiece, bracers of swift death, hellion glave and new stuff from ICC all has arp on it, u shud have np finding the gear Gl mate.

[Haskel]

Even with 66% crit. The Scorpion will have a 6.6% chance to proc per hit, while the runestone has a 15% chance to proc per hit. This means you're looking at about 10-15 seconds to proc the scorpion once it comes off CD and more like 4-6 seconds to proc the runestone. Even at 100% crit, the scorpion will have less uptime than the runestone, so high crit isn't a good excuse for it being good. IMO Hardcap > Runestone > Scorpion.