ashen verdict ring & melee dps

[Monath]

Feral DPS does benefit from Str, they get the full 2AP per point, it's worse than Agi for them but not much worse. For rogues/shaman however Str gear is horrible.

As for agi based BiS, giving 10-11 examples seems a bit much because I'm not that bored - I can however link you to :

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t69627-r...s_3_2_edition/

I suggest you look at the section Belf BiS list for heroic mode +All Items

Chest: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47004
Wrist: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47155
Belt: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47299
Ring: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47075

So thats 3 pieces of leather and an Agi ring for BiS for one Str spec in 3.2 alone.

Outside the realm of BiS I know that many Str users prefer
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50046 to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50048

Even for Ret pallies who dislike ArPen & Haste equally, the two come out about the same.

Yea that's because leather/mail items have 5 stats as opposed to 4 like plate items. Therefore they will almost always be better itemised and overall better items. Thankfully in cataclysm this bullcrap will be fixed for the most part and us plate wearers can stick to plate almost entirely.

[Azyoulike]

Yea that's because leather/mail items have 5 stats as opposed to 4 like plate items. Therefore they will almost always be better itemised and overall better items. Thankfully in cataclysm this bullcrap will be fixed for the most part and us plate wearers can stick to plate almost entirely.

Exactly!

[Azyoulike]

They make 2 caster rings, 1 for damage dealers and 1 for healers, so in my opinion. It is absolutely fucking bullshit ...

Yes and did you stop to think why?

Take a look at non-tier caster mail drops in the new 5 man heroics, or for that matter caster leather. Notice anything missing? If you said +hit congrats - you win! In order to avoid creating gear only useful for one-spec non-tier caster leather and mail is itemized to be viable for resto as well as dps. This means that Elly/Boomers often need +hit from accessories to reach cap, so Blizz really have to give a +hit ring from badges/rep.

On the other hand +hit rings are garbage for healers, so they have to give a healer ring too.

Many casters would prefer the existence of a Crit/Haste ring instead of either a hit ring or an MP5 ring, most healers would too. Thems the breaks, instead we're stuck with a hit ring that will most likely overcap most clothies and an MP5 ring that only a pally would really get moist over.

These rep rings aren't supposed to be BiS, they're supposed to be a solid upgrade if you don't get lucky with drops. A nice bonus. Not the 2nd coming. Very few specs are going to wet themselves here.

[Monath]

Yes and did you stop to think why?

Take a look at non-tier caster mail drops in the new 5 man heroics, or for that matter caster leather. Notice anything missing? If you said +hit congrats - you win! In order to avoid creating gear only useful for one-spec non-tier caster leather and mail is itemized to be viable for resto as well as dps. This means that Elly/Boomers often need +hit from accessories to reach cap, so Blizz really have to give a +hit ring from badges/rep.

On the other hand +hit rings are garbage for healers, so they have to give a healer ring too.

Many casters would prefer the existence of a Crit/Haste ring instead of either a hit ring or an MP5 ring, most healers would too. Thems the breaks, instead we're stuck with a hit ring that will most likely overcap most clothies and an MP5 ring that only a pally would really get moist over.

These rep rings aren't supposed to be BiS, they're supposed to be a solid upgrade if you don't get lucky with drops. A nice bonus. Not the 2nd coming. Very few specs are going to wet themselves here.

On the other hand +agi rings are garbage in comparison to strength for strength classes.

I'm not talking about the damn secondary equip effects like haste and crit, im talking about STATS like strength or int. I wouldn't much care if the ring had haste or even armor pen on it. It's retarded that we have to deal with this agility crap. You casters get stam and int/spirit on your rings which is acceptable, int and spirit are primary stats for casters whereas agility isn't for strength classes yet we have to deal with it.

Our situation is comparable to the healers being forced to take the ring with hit rating on it. There is just as much reason to give physical dps classes 2 rings as there are reasons to give casters 2 rings.

Also, are you fucking kidding me? Hell yea rep rings are meant to be BiS. Hyjal anyone?

[Monath]

In regards to having to itemise healing gear for caster dps as well.

If you haven't noticed they do in fact make shit nontier for both. Boomkins and elemental shamans also get 7% and 3% hit from talents, respectively. With an additional 3% on top of that from misery.

[Si1ver]

melee = physical

Im physically beating on you with my melee weapon (or paws).

Im physically shooting you with my ranged arrows (or bullets).

melee = physical = hunters = ranged

See what I did there?

physical are classes/specs that benefit from ArP.

[Azyoulike]

On the other hand +agi rings are garbage in comparison to strength for strength classes.

Which is why 4 pieces of Agi gear were BiS for ret pallies in 3.2 - because it's such garbage.

I'm not talking about the damn secondary equip effects like haste and crit, im talking about STATS like strength or int.

wtf are you on about? secondary stats matter, in fact they often matter more than primary stats.

I wouldn't much care if the ring had haste or even armor pen on it. It's retarded that we have to deal with this agility crap.

So you'd rather have a bad strength ring than a better agi ring? You're in luck! There are bad strength rings at lower ilvl you can feely use. Good luck with the dps though.

You casters get stam and int/spirit on your rings which is acceptable, int and spirit are primary stats for casters whereas agility isn't for strength classes yet we have to deal with it.

No we get Int/Stam/SP on our rings. Spirit is only on some rings, in place of a secondary stat. Most caster DPS would prefer either haste or crit to spirit, though there are some exceptions. On the whole Int/Stam/Haste/Crit gear is the most sought after though, at least after hit cap.

Also, are you fucking kidding me? Hell yea rep rings are meant to be BiS. Hyjal anyone?

Toto, we aren't in Hyjal anymore. This isn't rep that you get from a raid that needs a serious attunement to even access. This is rep you get from showing up at the new entry level raid. BiS rings will be from heroic.

If you haven't noticed they do in fact make shit nontier for both. Boomkins and elemental shamans

Yes, thank you we agree. The non tier gear for both is indeed shit. Unless you meant that they make spell hit gear for both, in which case I'd suggest you try linking me some from the ICC loot list, or the loliseum loot list. You can't because there is none, and by none I don't mean 'very little' the way by 'garbage' you mean 'often BiS'. I mean literally absolutely none. The only spell hit non-tier gear in either raid is Cloth or accessories. Zero pieces of mail, zero pieces of leather. This is why they have to provide a spell hit ring.