Sliver of Pure Ice healer trink or heal/dps trink

[Forcelink]

Your GM/Raid Leader is an idiot. How is he leading the guild?I suggest you leave and find a better one, led by knowledgeable people. Dont want to get ninjaed out of more important loot later on huh?

[Devilsdance]

Effectively the on-use equates to 50MP5.

if his calculations are correct then this item is worth it for a healer. 50 mp5+158sp is decent for a healer

[Devilsdance]

just found some1 else's calculations on plusheal.com
"The use function can grant about 68 mp5. Usage is important. In a 5 minute fight, it could be used 3 times granting 81 mp5, or used only 2 times, granting 54 mp5."

[enoesiw]

i have ran 25 toc a ton of times and only seen it drop once. and in that case i lost it to another healer. i dont think we have enough competant raiders right now to even touch icc seeing how we failed in 25 togc today. i probably should just let it go but really im just ticked off that a dps that before this i thought was decent rolled on what is more of a healing item

It's not a great drop rate, but I'm pretty sure that by now all the healers (alts included) in my guild that want one have one. One even has both, lucky bastard.

Didnt bother to read the posts above, i apologize in beforehand for that.

For starters this trinket( I have it myself and can give an honest opinion) aint all that good. The 245-int&sp as use- for badges is better and the trinket with crit/sp from razorscale 10men is better in 4 out of 5 encounters(would say all but if ya need the mana the new one is really good).

However if a healer needs this, if only for specific encounters, he/she should deffo have prio for it.
Anything else is compareable to a healer needing a trinket that has a attackpower use effect because of the haste or whatever.

I know that a few ppl will disagree with me on this on so I won't even bother to check up on this topic after this.
Just wanted to give you my side of the case.

So if a healer needs this trinket (a neutral trinket, not specifically a healer or dps trinket) for 1 encounter whereas a dps with terrible trinkets needs it for every encounter, it should go to the healer first? I don't think so. That right there is called loot-whoring. I'm assuming that the person who needed the trinket really needed the trinket, or he's a douche. Either way, if you're GL OK'd it, I can't see very much you can do about it.

No, a healer taking an AP trinket is NOT equivalent. Like I said earlier, it is a NEUTRAL trinket. It might be better for a healer, but it is still COMPLETELY useful for a dps.

[bluehippo]

remember, there's always http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50358

Yeah but i know around 80%-99% of people would get 4 out of 5 tier 10 before other badge items so this trinket would be nice tell you get 4/5 tier 10

[dustfp]

So if a healer needs this trinket (a neutral trinket, not specifically a healer or dps trinket) for 1 encounter whereas a dps with terrible trinkets needs it for every encounter, it should go to the healer first? I don't think so. That right there is called loot-whoring. I'm assuming that the person who needed the trinket really needed the trinket, or he's a douche. Either way, if you're GL OK'd it, I can't see very much you can do about it.

No, a healer taking an AP trinket is NOT equivalent. Like I said earlier, it is a NEUTRAL trinket. It might be better for a healer, but it is still COMPLETELY useful for a dps.

This is NOT a "neutral" trinket, it is a healer trinket. All caster dps are balanced around being able to regen enough without gearing for it, meaning any pure regen stat or effect is completely useless for dps. On-use mana return provides exactly 0 dps, meaning a healer with an AP trinket is the exact same situation, since AP provides 0 benefit to a healer.

OP, your GM is an idiot for giving this trinket to dps. Leave the guild, ?????, profit.

[Devilsdance]

Yeah but i know around 80%-99% of people would get 4 out of 5 tier 10 before other badge items so this trinket would be nice tell you get 4/5 tier 10

i was actually considering getting that trinket sooner than that but then i say this drop. when i saw mages/locks rolling on it it really aggrevated me

[bluehippo]

i was actually considering getting that trinket sooner than that but then i say this drop. when i saw mages/locks rolling on it it really aggrevated me

Hah sucks but you need button tier to get 25 man tier so... If your in a 25 man guild your gonna mostlikey get tier first

[Keoren]

i dont see an arcane mage needing to use 2 trinkets for mana conservation, if your going oom that much as a mage than you obviously dont know how to use your evocate/other mana back abilities

As an arcane mage, you want to ideally be at exactly 0 mana the moment the fight is over. Arcane is one of the only specs that can effectively turn more mana into more dps.

I would overall prefer seeing this having a healer priority, but just pointing out.

[Azyoulike]

So if a healer needs this trinket (a neutral trinket, not specifically a healer or dps trinket) for 1 encounter whereas a dps with terrible trinkets needs it for every encounter, it should go to the healer first?

So you're fine with my disc priest taking Muradin's Spyglass then? Because trust me I'd use it on every encounter.

[Devilsdance]

My reasoning behind this is that I already have just under 1k MP5 (Yea, it's pretty insane, but I love my MP5 stat) and this trinket would do very little for me as I rarely OOM on any fights that I have encountered so far. As
If I were DPS I'd prefer looking into trinkets that have possibly less SP, however have a damage proc or use effect. A trinket was linked into this thread which had a proc which stacked 5 times of 25 SP which turns into 100SP and however much crit was on that trinket too. Which would be a similar, if not better trinket for DPS, as I know most classes have added bonuses when their spells crit (like Clearcasting for instance)

the broodmother actually gives 125 sp not 100 and i have just about the same mp5, and im a druid so i have innervate but that trinket is still a huge upgrade because im currently using the broodmother(which is not ment for resto druids at all)

[Devilsdance]

i would most likely link the sliver to one of my more used heals so that it will always get hit and it will practically just count as more mp5. and as i said before 50+mp5 and 159 sp is good for a healer. and since when does a dps need mp5?

[nwgminion]

Arcane mages trinkets go something like this:
Reign of the Unliving
Flare of the Heavens
Tailsman of Resurgence
Scales of Fate
Pandora's Plea
Abyssal Rune
Illustration of the Dragon Soul
Embrace iof the Spider
Eye of the Broodmother
Solace of the Defeated

Not sure about other specs.
Your GM is bad and so is the mage.

[mutantboy]

I'll just throw in my thoughts here.


As a healer myself, I would not take this trinket, nor would I take it if I were a DPS class.
My reasoning behind this is that I already have just under 1k MP5 (Yea, it's pretty insane, but I love my MP5 stat) and this trinket would do very little for me as I rarely OOM on any fights that I have encountered so far. As a shammy, I also have various ways of getting mana back (Water shield, mana tide and mana spring to a lesser extent), not only that but I also have pots and my absolute last resort of dying, Ahnking, and instantly drinking, but thats overkill

If I were DPS I'd prefer looking into trinkets that have possibly less SP, however have a damage proc or use effect. A trinket was linked into this thread which had a proc which stacked 5 times of 25 SP which turns into 100SP and however much crit was on that trinket too. Which would be a similar, if not better trinket for DPS, as I know most classes have added bonuses when their spells crit (like Clearcasting for instance)

In short, for me personally, I would leave this trinket on the boss and find something better (unless of course, I have iLvl 154 trinkets )

this is something I find strange (well except for the "I have better already anyway" bit)

I had a guildie say very similar a while ago. And then i pointed out he had gemmed for regen. So by taking a mana regen trink instead of his Eye of the broodmother and re-gemming SP instead of mana regen he ended up with a nice net gain of SP that he didn't need to worry about building with use.

Same of course can be said for Hit. I got the badge hit trinket - even though I didn't actually need it. But as they came available I replaced my O/H & ring so I'm now around 60 over the cap with a cape "in hand" (looks like I will use my frost emblems cos nothing else is happening :P)

The point is that by taking un optimised gear you replace it quickly to the detriment of another raid member. By taking a short term hit (normally you get an item which does nothing till you get the rest of the bits that go with it) you get a long term gain.

And as a healer I would take this in a second because I know that i could then jig things around and get better overall. But then I'm the guy with ilvl 219 trinks so my situation is way different :P But as a DPS - this thing is just a boost GS item that will be replaced very soon

[Devilsdance]

my gm apologized and said that he wouldnt let dps roll on it anymore, but the mage is still wearing the item which bothers me because it was actually a downgrade for her.

[grimkiller]

That trinket isn't really THAT great anyway.
Plus, it may drop again in the next week or two.
Just hope that a better item drops that you win over that mage, assuming DKP or equivalent was spent on obtaining said trinket.

[Aloo]

As an arcane mage I feel that it is my job to inform you why this trinket is just as good to an arcane mage as it will be to any healer.

It has 2 main aspects:
Spell power
Mana gain

Arcane mages love spell power as much as any healer.

Arcane mages love mana more than any healer, as previously mentioned the goal of arcane is to finish the fight with 0 mana. If a healer finishes a fight with 0 mana, well something isn't right. Any fight I'm evocation multiple times, using all my mana gems, and making friends with the druids for innervate.

Without actually looking into what the dps of the trinket I cannot tell you if I would roll on it, but to me it looks like just as good to any arcane mage as it would to any healer.

And Eye of the Broodmother is pretty bad for arcane mages right now anyway...

[Gobber]

All said and done, arcane mages enjoy mana. Still would the trinket still be good if the use was to return 500 mana?

1.6k mana is pitiful, thats less than the cost of a 4 stack arcane blast. If it returned somewhere in the region of 6-7k then we'd be talking...but 1.6k mana is such a small amount it makes the trinket next to useless.

Talisman of resurgance...can be bought with 50 triumphs (4-5 heroics farmed). gives 128 int.

128 int = 1920 mana. That trinket increases your mana pool by more than 1 use of the other trinket.

To go on from this, lets say you have replishment giving you 1% per 5 seconds

1% of 1920 is 19. So just wearing ToR gives you 19 mp5 from replishment, so 228 mana over the 2 min period.

Then theres evo, bonus spellpower, crit...all the other juicey benefits arcane mages get from int.

Seriously...that trinket is crap for mages

[Oneleg]

Always a dilemma if it's for caster dps or healers.
Truth is, in this case, I think there's better trinkets out there for both healers and dps. But I will say that I think a healer would make better use of this trinket. As a dps I always prefer trinkets with either a proc or use effect to increase dps.

As a shaman healer I hardly ever run out of mana, and find that a +spell power only trinket to be a very DPS item. As for a mage this would be an incredible trinket to get, Spellpower + a trinket that works along with the conjured mana stone.

[MorbidShadows]

Seriously...that trinket is crap for mages

This.... Personally as an Arc Mage I would never even take a second look at this trinket.