Frost raiding?

[Azerox]

I am wondering.

Would this be a good spec to do some frost damage?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0V0...ofu0f0gfst:Rni

Just put it togheter, just wondering, or does anyone have a beter spec for me to try?

Thanks!

(btw i guess rotation on frost = FB + pop CDs?)

[Anuberak]

thats very weird spec (bad spec)
also it isnt as simple as spamming frostbolt.

Something like
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vc...sfu0fzgfkt:Rni
would be better.

[Koltak]

I would suggest to get points in Ttw.
Thats my spec atm:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/talent-calc....00030152231151
(If there are suggestions, how to improve it, please tell me )

[Azerox]

Ofcourse, i forgot to get ttw in arcane :O

[nerfproof]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vc...kcu0fzTfst:nRi

This should be the spec all mages who want to raid as frost should use. This spec maximizes both single and multi-target dps while also keep replenishment up 100% of the time.

[Tiga]

Just a tip: you'll spend a lot less time face down on the ground waiting for the rest of the raid to wipe if you put two points into magic absorption. It's a good talent for raiding. Frost really doesn't need 5/5 in clearcasting and student of the mind and spell impact are both of extremely dubious value (I prefer spell impact). You need 18 points in arcane, so some of the weak points there are justified by getting to TTW.

[Nathanos]

What Tiga above me is saying is true.

Student of the Mind is a very low overall DPS increase - The points are better spent in things like (Again, as said) Magic Absorbtion.

This is personal preference though, I mean some mages in my guild havea "Meh" attitude towards MA, and prefer SotM.

While I only ever play Frost in our 10-mans, I am starting to less-than-three that spec.

[Nachtwarrior]

thats very weird spec (bad spec)
also it isnt as simple as spamming frostbolt.

Something like
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vc...sfu0fzgfkt:Rni
would be better.

your spec is worse than his. i could form a better spec by going 20/31/20.

[Drterrible]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...n7SY,QaM,10958

ive changed my frost pve spec about 8 times and use this , you can move a couple points around the improved blizzard is there because of the utility on 25 saurfang and can easily be moved to precision.

Nevertheless Ive tried frost all this week and still lose to my arcane spec for the most part due to the the inconsistency of fingers of frost. It says 15% is the proc rate yet i have instant fireballs up constantly and fingers is just garbages Ive had fights where its up every 5 seconds and Ive had fights where it pops up once. This talent needs a built in spell cap to force it to proc after 5 frostbolts. Without fingers of frost proccing you have no chance for deep freeze to be used or to tag on icelance to your second frostbolt. This will also make frost garbage for activating the tier 10 2 piece bonus (12% haste for 5 seconds procced off missile barrage, Hotstreak, and Fingers of frost) I forsee all Arcane mages having this up 85% of the time and fire has no problems getting double crits. Meanwhile frost will fall behind because fingers of frost is unreliable.

The end

[DirewolfX]

Nevertheless Ive tried frost all this week and still lose to my arcane spec for the most part due to the the inconsistency of fingers of frost. It says 15% is the proc rate yet i have instant fireballs up constantly and fingers is just garbages Ive had fights where its up every 5 seconds and Ive had fights where it pops up once. This talent needs a built in spell cap to force it to proc after 5 frostbolts. Without fingers of frost proccing you have no chance for deep freeze to be used or to tag on icelance to your second frostbolt. This will also make frost garbage for activating the tier 10 2 piece bonus (12% haste for 5 seconds procced off missile barrage, Hotstreak, and Fingers of frost) I forsee all Arcane mages having this up 85% of the time and fire has no problems getting double crits. Meanwhile frost will fall behind because fingers of frost is unreliable.

The end

Well, it's a good thing that it procs off Brain Freeze and not Fingers of Frost then, eh? Also, your spec fails for not including Precision or maxing out Arctic Winds

Also, nerfproof, stop claiming your spec is the maximum single target frost spec when you leave out an obvious 1% increase in Arctic Winds. Drop a point or two from Enduring Winter. You don't need it with Eternal Water; 66% (or even 33%) is enough to proc another Replenishment before the first one ends. Otherwise, your spec is good.

OP, use this as your base spec:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...nBbT,QaM,10958

You have 2 points to put wherever you want now. Also, if you don't care about AoE DPS, you can drop the point in Imp. Blizzard and move it elsewhere in the frost tree. Likewise, if you don't care for Student of the Mind (it's a tiny crit increase, making it the best choice for single target DPS, but only marginally), you can move that somewhere else in the arcane tree.

[Tiga]

The points in precision are 100% entirely dictated by your gear. If your best DPS gear puts you well over the hit cap, then you should not go over cap by wasting points on precision.

With my own available gear, points in precision are worth about 30 dps each (according to RAWR), so I put 3 points in there. With fixed gear and under cap, the points are worth 1% dps each (let's say 80 dps), but hit rating is really cheap, so you will usually be trading crit rating for hit rating.

For each 1% of hit, you need 26 hit rating. 26 crit rating is about (26 / 46)% or about 0.56% crit chance. Frost values 1% crit as a 0.7% overall DPS increase (maybe less). So if you adjust your gear to put fewer points in precision, each talent point is only a 0.4% DPS loss. The same goes for arcane as well btw, although arcane can benefit from the mana cost reduction as well.

[ripponesan]

ROFL why would someone try to find a frost PVE spec???

even well played you stand not the slightest chance against a arcane or fire mage.
So you really want to risk you raid spot just cause you "like" frost so much?

[KageZetsumei]

ROFL why would someone try to find a frost PVE spec???

even well played you stand not the slightest chance against a arcane or fire mage.
So you really want to risk you raid spot just cause you "like" frost so much?

It turns out some people play a game to have fun...

It's a radical new concept, I know, but just try to use your imagination.

[Nathanos]

ROFL why would someone try to find a frost PVE spec???

even well played you stand not the slightest chance against a arcane or fire mage.
So you really want to risk you raid spot just cause you "like" frost so much?

Some of us like playing the class as we wish, not being bound to a spec. While Arcane and Fire certainly are better DPS - And for our progress 25-man runs I do play Arcane, I find Frost to be a very enjoyable Spec for 10-mans and Heroics.

EDIT: As a very clever Mage once said: "Play a Class, not a Talent Tree."

[sepiq]

Ilove frost spec i played frost all the BC so here is my frost spec wich i didnt tested cause i stop playing cause of my wife :}} http://eu.wowarmory.com/talent-calc....00030152231051 and about geming you just have to test it. You try with all haste gems and after try with sp in reds and sp and haste in yelow and ofc 2 gems with sp and spirit for the meta gem to work.

[Heywes]

Brain freeze is a dps lose at a certain point of stats, not 100% sure what the required sp and haste was but -_-

Not sure if that has been mentioned yet or not, sorry if it has.

[ripponesan]

well cant you just see it?

your arguments so far:
- i like it
- i play a game and want to do what i have fun at

well providing the raid with frost damage, it´s just a matter of time until you get replaced by some other mage who actually does DMG.
Where is you fun then while you are NOT playing your frost spec but sitting around or doing random heroics?

Sure, if you got a safe raid spot, maybe raiding with friends, do what you want, if they accept it. I have no problems with that, may the power of ice be with you.

But it has something of like having a girl friend beeing a nice guy, and loosing her 2 month later to the sexy guy.

[Moofius]

well cant you just see it?

your arguments so far:
- i like it
- i play a game and want to do what i have fun at

well providing the raid with frost damage, it´s just a matter of time ..

I had to log in just to make a reply to this to say.. that is one of the most stupid things I've heard, take that type of stupidity back to the WoW forums kthxbai.

[Nathanos]

well cant you just see it?

your arguments so far:
- i like it
- i play a game and want to do what i have fun at

well providing the raid with frost damage, it´s just a matter of time until you get replaced by some other mage who actually does DMG.
Where is you fun then while you are NOT playing your frost spec but sitting around or doing random heroics?

Sure, if you got a safe raid spot, maybe raiding with friends, do what you want, if they accept it. I have no problems with that, may the power of ice be with you.

But it has something of like having a girl friend beeing a nice guy, and loosing her 2 month later to the sexy guy.

I am raiding with friends and I am doing what I feel like regarding my specs - And I DO see it. Don't worry I realize that you are gimping yourself going Frost, and as I stated, I DO go Arcane for progress kills. Frost is more a "Shits n' Giggles" spec for 10-mans.

Still it shouldn't be underestimated. Its not as bad as it used to be :P

As for the above poster - As much as you feel that he posted something retarded, thats his opinion (I guess) And its not like you added much useful input either. Could we p-lease keep this topic flame free.

[nerfproof]

Brain freeze is a dps lose at a certain point of stats, not 100% sure what the required sp and haste was but -_-

Not sure if that has been mentioned yet or not, sorry if it has.

Actually with the T10 set bonus Brain Freeze will be a dps gain.