holy pally - gem problem with MP5

[muzza2]

hey guys.
well, a bit about me.
i've got a holy pally which will crit for about 8k FoL - 9800 HP with wings + Talisman of Resurgence

he has been set up for FoL spams and can generally heal 10 ICC with no problem,
Ive been stacking a lot of SP lately and currently to date i have 2550 SP.
my MP5 on the otherhand is very very poor. - while casting its only 177

i've looked in to JCing quite a bit, and here is what i purpose.
I am a JCer so I can get the extra boost from +39 sp or + 32 int

anyway, please have a look and give suggestions - i dont know if i should stack int / mp5 (orange)
or int / spirit (blue)

you can look me up on wow-heroes (morseman on gundrak US server)

[Cardolan]

Spirit is crap for Paladins, since the mana regeneration it provides doesn't apply whilst casting. If you want more MP5, unsurprisingly what you want to gem/gear for is MP5.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

how on earth do you even consider spirit?

stack int as everyone else. at 37.5k mana raidbuffed i get around 100 mana (or more) from replenishment buff friom raid. which is alone 500mp5.
then there's the mana you get back from crits. 33% of ordinary cost or something?
(int = spellcrit)
i dont care alot about mp5. if i stay above 35k mana in raids i rarely go out of mana even in the long fights.

[rambam]

LOL, 37.5k and you don't go OOM even on long fights - bro, thats because you're doing easy content.
i got like 36.4k~ UNBUFFED and im askin for innervates at the end of anub 25 heroic.

but yes, if you are going for a FoL spam build, stack SP ONLY (apart from a int + mp5 gem to get your meta), you should aim for around 3200 SP UB. This is very achieveable especially with 2x 150~ SP trinkets.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

LOL, 37.5k and you don't go OOM even on long fights - bro, thats because you're doing easy content.
i got like 36.4k~ UNBUFFED and im askin for innervates at the end of anub 25 heroic..

showoff.
yeah i dont go oom. if i ever find myself below 5k mana i let ppl know and i start meleehitting for 10sec to get mana back with seal of wisdom. and if you're above 40k mana raidbuffed you should start gemming for haste unless you already are closing in on 35% haste unbuffed. else do SP.


*edit*

and one more thing, if your going OOM with 40k+ mana l2p.

[AleriyaEU]

showoff.
yeah i dont go oom. if i ever find myself below 5k mana i let ppl know and i start meleehitting for 10sec to get mana back with seal of wisdom. and if you're above 40k mana raidbuffed you should start gemming for haste unless you already are closing in on 35% haste unbuffed. else do SP.


*edit*

and one more thing, if your going OOM with 40k+ mana l2p.

Experience the content, then criticise? Just saying ...

[Horn]

hey guys.
well, a bit about me.
i've got a holy pally which will crit for about 8k FoL - 9800 HP with wings + Talisman of Resurgence

he has been set up for FoL spams and can generally heal 10 ICC with no problem,
Ive been stacking a lot of SP lately and currently to date i have 2550 SP.
my MP5 on the otherhand is very very poor. - while casting its only 177

i've looked in to JCing quite a bit, and here is what i purpose.
I am a JCer so I can get the extra boost from +39 sp or + 32 int

anyway, please have a look and give suggestions - i dont know if i should stack int / mp5 (orange)
or int / spirit (blue)

you can look me up on wow-heroes (morseman on gundrak US server)

I don't know if you're a subtle troll or some one actually looking for help and overlooked something.. I'm watching you sir..
Either way: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40134 is infinitely better than spwr/spirit

[muzza2]

nope, cant say im a troll, honestly never been on here, besides watching the raid videoes.
honestly looking for help.

i didnt know that sprit was only mp5 while not casting. thus making the SP + MP5 better.

i cant say many people did help with their comments, having 40k mana pools isnt helping me... good for you for having 40k, but i dont have it yet, so feebback about my problem would be good.


i have read reports saying that FoL spammers do need to stack SP. which as you can see i have done.
i have no problem in keeping people alive in 10man's - althought we dont do heroic's or 25's in our guild yet.
however, looking at my mana pool while raid buffs are in place it sits around 30k (or a bit under)

i dont see myself going oom much, however with stacking only SP it doesnt leave much room if i do go oom.
see my MP5 while casting is only 177. - does my build need to have more MP5 or not?
or should i just keep stacking SP as per the guides.

[Firecrest]

showoff.
yeah i dont go oom. if i ever find myself below 5k mana i let ppl know and i start meleehitting for 10sec to get mana back with seal of wisdom. and if you're above 40k mana raidbuffed you should start gemming for haste unless you already are closing in on 35% haste unbuffed. else do SP.


*edit*

and one more thing, if your going OOM with 40k+ mana l2p.

wat

[Horn]

Coming from an experience raider, Your problem is that your gemming anything other than int. Stack int. Int is good. Int is your Friend. Int will be there when no one else will be. Mp5? It talks a big game, but all it wants is to take away from your total mana pool. Bad holy pally BAD. Go gem int. DO IT or I'll get the hose.

Much win here.

[Riek]

I think hes FoL paladin since he talks about his FoL hitting almost 10k...

so.... err shouldnt he stack more sp than int?

[Riek]

What the fuck is a FoL Paladin?

FoL spammer? for 5 man mode

[Raptorg]

What the fuck is a FoL Paladin?

A paladin that spams flash of light.

I understand it's hard to fathom, but just relax, let it in, consider the possibility that it might actually be viable.

[Tosog]

You even consider spirit? waow.... L2P

[SchickySC]

LOL @ Everyone in this post really. If it's not a troll i'm at a loss for words.

LOL @ 41.5k mana raidbuffed and running oom. Scrub much? Overheal > 95%? Probably

L2P.

OP - Stack int. fill your meta requirements with 12sp+5mp5 getting your helm bonus, or 10int+5mp5/12sp+10int to get 2 socket bonuses (bonuses = int>haste>sp). Your flashes dont hit that hard with 2500SP. You need 3200+sp for FoL to be even useful, along with superior reaction times.(unless you run with another int stacking HL pally, but you may as well roll shammy/raid healer then)

Int>Haste>mp5>Crit/SP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spirit/Hit.

Don't gem/gear for those last 2 please it hurts my eyes.

Learn to love HL + HL Glyph. Beacon tank. Holy light bomb the melee/offtanks. Judge often. Win. Oh and keep SS up. Dont worry about the flash HoT unless you have free GCDs. Holy shock to save a fail dps/healers life cause they can't tell the difference between bad fire and the sticks fire during hodir.

[Varius]

You will be going oom on anub 25 if you are doing it right, just the way the fight works, HL spam on the tank with beacon on another tank for all of the final phase is just stupid op.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/k...?s=5565&e=6101

2 holy pallies doing 5.7 million healing 11-13 thousand hps during phase 3, cant really value mp5 that high because the leech phase doesn't last long enough for you to regen more than a few heals from mp5 on gear while int will increase mana from DP, Replenishment, and gives you a bit more crit.

[Raiss]

A paladin that spams flash of light.

I understand it's hard to fathom, but just relax, let it in, consider the possibility that it might actually be viable.

Saying that someone is a FoL paladin is almost like saying that someone is a deathgriper deahtknight.

[Theholypally]

Saw Spirit in the table and stopped reading. If you have spirit in your gear, re-gem and quit being dumb.

Saw people saying if you run OOM to l2p. Experience some HARD content first before telling someone to l2p. Do your job, you will use your mana. If you EVER get to anub p3 on 25 heroic you will use your mana, if not the raid leader should just kick you and save them the pain of carrying you.

10 mans arent hard. Try some 25 man hard modes and tell me how your conservative arses hold up healing that. (Assuming, again, that you are actually doing your job and not letting the other healers carry you through the content)

[SchickySC]

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/1...one/?enc=kills
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/1...e/?s=531&e=998
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/1...?s=5259&e=5467

Yes god please tell me I am carried through hardmodes. Please please think that. Looking at that anub kill, one of the pallys was using Glyph of holy light.....Fail much? Unless your beaconing 1 tank, and having 5 healers stand on top of the offtank to get your beacon splashes, and not having a totem for that group, you should NEVER be using that glyph. It makes the phase last almost twice as long and would explain your oom.

I've done NUMEROUS attempts on anub HM. Never got a kill, mostly due to a tanking strategy fail/people sucking at kiting/few missing key players.

If your playing it right, you will make it to phase 3 with 100% mana. Standing in melee range + managing cooldowns right + mana pot + judgements + 41k mana? If you have issues spamming HL for 2.5 mins you fail. If you spam it and still go oom, maybe call for an innervate.

A smart paladin ends the progression fight with 5%ish mana.

[rambam]

Beasts, Jarax, FC and Twins are nothing compared to anub.
Also, you seem to be braging about your healing by lining fights where you top the meters, meters don't mean you are a good healer.

In my guild, I am the only tank healer on anub 25 (H), we do the 2x add tank strat, so i have to heal MT + 2 add tanks, it IS difficult and i DO go oom.

I've done NUMEROUS attempts on anub HM. Never got a kill

That says it all.
Healing and little over healing and still going oom.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/n...?s=3934&e=4414
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/n...?s=3934&e=4414


http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/s...?s=1287&e=1780
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/s...?s=1287&e=1780

@firecrest, i have like 920 haste UB... it's not as if im not trying...