Why some RET don't even spec Seal of Command?

[reemi]

I don't understand why some retribution paladins don't even spend 1 point in Seal of Command... I found a paladin today with 4600 gear score, (not that high but... he was doing around 2K-2.5K dps..) I tell him to use Seal of Command instead of SoR and he told me SoC was for pvp?... lol?

So for those players who don't know how SoC is working, who are still crying because Martyr have been removed, SoC dont make extra damage when the target is stunned.. It make you hit 3 targets at time, and you know this expension is only about AOE, no more CC, no more single pull, every tanks are AOE tanking now... So, except for single target boss, you have NO reason to not use SoC.

SoC is really FUN to use, very effective for 90% of times.... why do you want to not learn it :S

P.S. You can switch seal while fighting too... But I understand this is really hard.

[kildal]

random hc's make people mad :

[Marithas]

so you met a noob and wrote a story about it?

[La]

Because any noob who doesn`t know their class can do 4389472 heroics in a day, buy t9, and not know a thing about their class

[Jester_Joker]

Before I say anything, I haven't logged on to my paladin to play Ret since... the first week of 3.2. But, at least back in 3.2....

Seal of Command was not the best Retribution Seal. Seal of Vengeance (Seal of Blood for horde, I think) is (at least was) the best seal for Paladin DPS. In a few cases, people would 'seal twist' to a Seal of Command for trash, but Righteousness is nearly as good for AoE trash pulls, and in the end it doesn't really make a difference.

[Taen]

Holy shit 2k DPS

[Evilzlo]

but Righteousness is nearly as good for AoE trash pulls, and in the end it doesn't really make a difference.

This is purely wrong, You can puff off over 8-10k on ICC trash easily with SoC, you won't go even near that with a single target seal.

Other than that, OP's post doesn't make much sense. Obviously, anyone with half a brain will use SoC for trash and SoV for bossfights.

[cripez]

i do ALOT more dps with Corrupt than Command on AoE packs. Only noobs use command since they dont know how to play a pally...

[iktankniet]

i do ALOT more dps with Corrupt than Command on AoE packs. Only noobs use command since they dont know how to play a pally...

funny troll or a paladin who has to learn a thing or 2 about the class. i cant figure out which it is...

[Nikoll]

i do ALOT more dps with Corrupt than Command on AoE packs. Only noobs use command since they dont know how to play a pally...

i can't tell if you are kidding or not.

[Needonboots]

i do ALOT more dps with Corrupt than Command on AoE packs. Only noobs use command since they dont know how to play a pally...

You're doing something wrong then. On AOE or fast dying packs, With Vengeance I top out at about 7-8k, with Command I'm closing on 10k. A ret in my guild was doing 13k on Marrowgar's trash thanks to Command. Who doesn't know how to play a pally sorry?

[Rorshack]

The SoC change was one of the best things to happen to ret since they made exorcism usable on any target. In ICC 25 man i pull 14-17K DPS without breaking a sweat. Every melee swing hits 3 targets, every crusader strike, every DS will do seal damage and the numbers are awesome. I also use the seal for tanking. I never lose threat between consecrate, aoe SoC and Hammer of the Righteous and I also pull like 3K dps as the tank. I dont even use SoR anymore in PVE, only in BGs. I also seal twist for single target fights, i use SoV (with the libram) then switch to my pvp libram and SoC for any fight with more than 1 target.

[Azyoulike]

This thread clearly demonstrates that the ret in retadin is still going strong. It's true, so many Rets haven't yet figured out that SoC is their trash seal and has been since 3.2.2

I mean we're only what 4 months on? Really I suppose it's unreasonable to expect people to have caught up.

[Ronark]

This is purely wrong, You can puff off over 11-14k on ICC trash easily with SoC, you won't go even near that with a single target seal.

Other than that, OP's post doesn't make much sense. Obviously, anyone with half a brain will use SoC for trash and SoV for bossfights.

Fixed.

[Deleted]

Last time in ICC 25... three ret palas topping damage meter, each doing over 10k on the trash to Marrowgar, then the fourth ret is number 14 just above the pally tank doing a bit over 4k. Quick check shows that she's using Seal of Vengeance... *sigh* I whispered her to use SoC. What I got as an answer was "I prefer not to switch seals just for trash". ??? I tried to tell that SoC is specifically ment to be the AoE seal and got ignored. She was following the über advice of her boyfriend, who in turn rushed to flame me with the usual crap like "leave her alone, there are more than one way to play, let her play as she likes blah blah blah". Except that she was playing like he liked to. I had noted him earlier about using SoV on huge aoe trash when he was playing her pally. His excuse back then was that he wanted the +200 str proc from the libram... /facepalm

Sadly it looks like switching Seal according to the situation is an overwhelming challenge to about 3/4 of the paladin community.

[Todyn]

why some mages put 2 points into *improved blizzard* , but the company still sucks?
/thread

because only mages can improve blizzard, and we all know mages are the ultimate QQers

[Veliane]

why some mages put 2 points into *improved blizzard* , but the company still sucks?
/thread

Because the talent has three points.

[Skiball]

In regards to the OP's example ret, he has his poles reversed. Seal of Righteousness has a hammer of a judgement and is also the only seal that procs on a jdugement, great for burst damage so it is great for pvp. Seal of command, while the cleave is nice requries several horde in a very small area to be worth it. If I had to assign those seals to one aspect of the game (which I wouldn't except for the purpose of this thread because they both have good uses) I would say righteousness for pvp (you have vengeance for pve single target) and command for pve because you can count on aoe packs for trash more often than hoping a bunch of horde are standing on each other.

I spec it for flexibility, but as far as single target boss dps command is useless so I understand why some wouldn't take it.

[Todyn]

In regards to the OP's example ret, he has his poles reversed. Seal of Righteousness has a hammer of a judgement and is also the only seal that procs on a jdugement, great for burst damage so it is great for pvp. Seal of command, while the cleave is nice requries several horde in a very small area to be worth it. If I had to assign those seals to one aspect of the game (which I wouldn't except for the purpose of this thread because they both have good uses) I would say righteousness for pvp (you have vengeance for pve single target) and command for pve because you can count on aoe packs for trash more often than hoping a bunch of horde are standing on each other.

I spec it for flexibility, but as far as single target boss dps command is useless so I understand why some wouldn't take it.

Command with 2 pc tier 10 is amazingly fun in BGs

[Nefarious Tea]

The thing is... no one cares about trash, or what you can do on it. ooh! 10k DPS because you're AOEing 20 mobs.

Do those numbers on a boss consistently over the entire 5 minute encounter, and then come back.