Lady Deathwhisper 25-man nerf

[Reucht]

LOL, they are the elitist, they are the hypocrite? Did you even realise you were contradicting yourself?

Maybe read the context first, if you fail at that, just shut up. If it's too hard for you to read more than 5 lines of text, just shut up.

Prozac whined about wow being too easy (sounds familiar?), yet he only completed Algalon the day before and finished ICC25 also. So, being a hypocrite sounds about right, wouldn't you say?

The other guy was doing the same, but he didn't even kill any boss in Uld25 and didn't have ICC achievement. What does that say? He's a troll? Maybe. He's a douchebag? Fosho.

And Zaraxiel, for the 10th time, if it's all too easy, do the hardmodes. I think the situation is great as it is now. You have normal modes to get to gear up for heroics, you get to know the basic tactics and when you finally switch to heroic you add a couple of boss mechanics and make sure your gear has improved.

I'm a casual gamer with a hardcore background and I still wanna see the same bosses as my friends who play in top10 guilds. I also wanna have some luggage when/if I ever decide to go back to hardcore raiding.

[vesseblah]

Shade of akama was pretty much the easiest fight in BT

It was also bugged for first two months which made it complete faceroll, and after farming the T6 giftbag bosses for few months before Akama was fixed, most guilds overgeared it. In unbugged form it was clearly harder than Naj'entus or Supremus.

Lady saurfang is exactly the same, but without #2.

And Hogger is exactly the same as lv60 Patchwerk, just tank & spank. Oh, the little matter of tuning makes a difference? No shit?

It's one of the easiest fights I have ever seen,

Deathwhisper was undeniably the hardest boss of first wing for competent guilds and nearly impossible for slighly less competent guilds. So you saw 3 easier bosses for the first month unless you were in one of the incompetent guilds who didn't kill LDW. Exaggeration doesn't make you sound any smarter or your point any more valid.

[Goatonlb]

LDW25 was a big problem since it was tuned for lv258 gear, and hardmode gear should not be required to complete the bosses of easy mode in next tier. That was the problem and that's why the nerf was required.

That's utter crap. My guild is 0/5 TotGC, and when we can kill both sides of adds with 10-20 seconds between spawns, then it's a coordination thing, not a gear check.

which resulted in people forgetting all about the freshly spawned adds that killed the healers

people still got killed by ghosts

^^ This is exactly the problem. Don't transition into the second phase with adds alive. Stop DPS on the shield, finish the adds, take the boss into P2. It's not hard because adds kill you when she comes active, it's your fault for doing it wrong.

Also, ghosts spawn, then they come at you. Run.

And Zaraxiel, for the 10th time, if it's all too easy, do the hardmodes.

For the 10th time, you CAN'T do hardmodes in ICC yet, or for a while yet. The progression should also go ToC --> ICC. People complaining are in 232 heroic gear, saying it's a gear check fight. This is fail on 2 levels. A) Try getting gear from the raid instance designed to gear you up for it, the previous tier. B) I've seen people in 232 gear clearing it anyway.

[Garnik]

ICC is build this way...
The first bosses of each wing will be "easy", which they are, and then the last boss of each wing, will be slighty harder, and because Lady Death isn't the last of the wing, then they have to nerf her slightly to make up for it.

[Deleted]

why are people judging the content already?

the real content for this patch is gonna be the Heroic mode. Normal mode is made so that everyone got a chance to see the content.

[twinkleblur]

go do heroic mode and shut your yapper, you wanna be hardcore raider

something tells me shes gonna have significantly more mana and a 5 min enrage timer..yeah shes gonna suck

[Gilian]

It probably needed a nerf, but the people here come with ridiculous arguments why it needed to be nerfed because other people say it was already easy enough.

It was just not on the right difficulty Blizzard wanted it to be so they changed it a bit. But i also didn't have any problems with this boss and it is actually really easy. Just don't expect to walk in and kill it without proper tactics etc.

[Fenixdown]

I haven't done it on 25 yet myself, though I know some guilds that struggled with it early on the first week or two.

10-man however was a cakewalk. I believe we 2-shot it week one and have 1-shot it every week since save for one week where some people were not understanding things like focusing down the proper mobs. That's the only week the raid didn't down Saurfang, too, so I just think it was our combination of players being not our usual suspects.

[Firecrest]

How very awesome. Yet, you didn't kill one single boss in heroic, but claiming here that it's easy mode huh? Very convincing.

Read my post again and say I was wrong. Mr. "Hardcore-raider-I-Pug-The-Crap-Out-Of-ICC25"

What the hell are you talking about? No one has killed anything in ICC on heroic. BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUT YET.

[nekobaka]

blah blah blah, lady deathwhisper is piss easy now.

[Whitcher]

What is the new value of Lady Deathwhisper's mana pool in 25 man raid please ? And same question for the adds ?
I've done some research but can't find anywhere the answer :-\

Thanks in advance

Pre-nerf it was somethin like 14-15 million.
Post-nerf it is 11-12 million.

It's not that big of a nerf to LD herself, but combined with the changes to the adds, the encounter is pretty easy now.

[Gron]

Again, the earlier made comment applies. If a person plays this game 'casually', but he's just not very good at it, does that mean he should not be able to see the content? He pays the same amount of money as you.

I know 2 people. Both work the same 8 hours each day, but one gets more money. I think its unfair. Everyone in the world should earn the same money for the same time spent at work.

Now with one step further, lets look at the majority of workers, Chinese and majority in India. They earn on average $20 per day.
So since we have to cater for the majority, you should earn the same $20 for 8 hours of work, regardless that you have spent time to study languages, gone to university or spent extra efforts to become a good employee.

I know some will say "its not work, its a game". We all know its not about the "work or game" question, but principles - making raids harder then nerfing them later so everyone could walk in, I think worked better, than current raids, which is not led by game design principles, but accountants counting cash.

[seam]

Oh noes! A nerf to a fight! Something blizz has been doing for the last 5 years! This is totally unexpected, what will we ever do?!?!