Are Warrior tanks obsolete or useless now?

[Andlát]

The feeling I'm starting to get is why bring a warrior for tanking? I've been kicked out of the daily heroic for being a warrior. why bring a warrior tank when you could bring a pally who can rip of mean dps while seeming to take less damage?

so what do you guys think? do warrior tanks need something done to them to make them more useful again or just let them wither and die out?

[sscavenger]

Short answer yes, long answer no.

[Andlát]

so the bias idiots are just getting to me then? thanks for the reassurance

[skulle]

only tanking class that requires skill

[RakuRaku]

I prefer warrior tanks, to be honest. If im pugging ulduar/ToC and see a MT paladin with all heroic gear vs a warrior. I'd feel more comfortable with the warrior.

Warrior tanks have a steep learning curve, but amazing utility for getting out of a tough situation if you play your cards right.

Paladins are basically pick up and play, and have 'meh' utility, if im doing a quick heroic, then I probably would prefer a paladin, but if we're talking about a raid. I'd prefer a warrior.

[ohlins]

only tanking class that requires skill

pre-wrath

[roguemaniac]

yep

[Icpie]

The feeling I'm starting to get is why bring a warrior for tanking? I've been kicked out of the daily heroic for being a warrior. why bring a warrior tank when you could bring a pally who can rip of mean dps while seeming to take less damage?

so what do you guys think? do warrior tanks need something done to them to make them more useful again or just let them wither and die out?

If you've been kicked out of a daily random, your gear may be pretty terrible, or you've ran with one of the people in the group and something happened between you two or more of them. Possibly even because you were not performing as well as you should have been able to.

You're not providing any real details. All we can infer from what you've written is you were kicked out for a stupid or unknown reason.

[Yosef1015]

no dk tanks suck warriors and druids are fine pallies are cheap as hell

[Dargin]

No, they aren't useless or obsolete. At worst they are a third choice for heroics, losing to the pick-up and run ability of pallies and druids, while still being vastly superior to dks. Warriors are great tanks in raids, and I prefer them on the boss over anything else.

[Lightfist]

Generally speaking, the weaknesses of all tanking classes can be overcome by skill.

[sscavenger]

Short answer, just idiots spouting stuff yes. Long answer, by people with more than three brain cells. No.

[Xenryusho]

Short answer, just idiots spouting stuff yes. Long answer, by people with more than three brain cells. No.

Comparatively warrior tanks are behind, and by far. Having heroic throw silence someone or shockwave stun isn't going to make me more useful then a paladin tank on most encounters. It's not going to increase my mitigation or damage.. We have a lot of Niche skills, but they don't work for the situations that are thrown at us most of the time. I could use shockwave as creatively as I want, but it'll always just be the thing I hit when SS Revenge and Conc Blow are on CD. Being able to charge isn't going to help me on rotface or festergut or saurfang or deathwhisper if the dps doesn't suck..Maybe if I'm doing full house it'll be nice.

Are we useless? No.. We can tank, and we can tank any encounter and the raid will survive. It may not be as easy, or as cushy as a paladin but we are far from useless... Personally I would choose an equally skilled paladin over a warrior but in the case that the paladin isn't there or doesn't know how to play warriors are far from bad. Just...We're far from great too.

Long answer no, short answer no.

[thebearjew]

If you get kicked as a tank, then that means that after 15 minutes you have utterly failed to hold threat or are stupidly slow at pulling. you deserve to be kicked. Go reroll and enjoy getting kicked again, and hey, if that doesn't work then reroll again until you l2p.

[Razgar]

Neither obsolete nor useless.

[Xenryusho]

Imo if we want a buff we all have to reroll paladin and wait for blizzard to realize people aren't playing warriors anymore.

[slims]

I have a lvl 80 prot pala, and i've recently lvl'd a warrior that im gearing up for prot, previously i clearead sunwell as a feral druid tank. It really feels to me that warriors have the biggest "toolbox" at thier fingers than any of the other tanking classes. Whilst you may not feel it when tanking in raids it makes a massive difference in heroics and even levelling.

[Banthak]

When you've gotten good gear I suggest you try switching out some tank items for dps items and balance around the 535 def cap. I've seen shockwaves crit up to 12k with arp proc on Grim Toll.
Threat surely isnt an issue anymore and with some +block rating items your avoidance wont suffer too much.

[Racetrack]

At the end of random heroics i often get a line like "a good warrior tank for once". I get that a couple of times a week.

In the hands of a skilled player who knows his class and to utilize all the abilities (of which there are many) then there is no better than the warrior tank. Unfortunately these are few and far between. Most are Fury warriors who got duel spec and a shield. This gives warrior tanks a bad rep.

However most of the top guilds still run with a Warrior MT and that says it all really. The other 3 classes, especially Pala's and Druids are easy to play which gives others who DPS and Heal the false sense of belief that they are better than the harder to play Warrior. That's not true.

We're also much more attuned to raid boss tanking. Sunders, demo shouts, disarms and so on.

[kassy]

I have a lvl 80 prot pala, and i've recently lvl'd a warrior that im gearing up for prot, previously i clearead sunwell as a feral druid tank. It really feels to me that warriors have the biggest "toolbox" at thier fingers than any of the other tanking classes. Whilst you may not feel it when tanking in raids it makes a massive difference in heroics and even levelling.

we did have a lot more than other classes at some point, but after blizzards "bring the player, not the class" there's really nothing we can offer that other classes can't with a quick respec if need be..