[Enh] Is it possible that the T9,5 bonus that strong?

[Tharrag]

Hi guys,

first sry for my bad english :/

i hope you can help me yesterday i get many new stuff for my enhancer shaman So i replaced some items:
T9,5 Gloves -> T10 Gloves (251)
T9,5 Shoulder -> Dual-Bladed Pauldrons (264)
T9,5 Legs -> T10 Legs (264)
Reputation ring (264) -> Reputation ring (277)

So now my problem is i simulated both equipments with EnhSim an get a very weird result:

Old Equipment with T9,5 -> 9735 DPS
New Equipment with T10 -> 9564 DPS

If i compare all items i replaced the new items are stronger in every way, so the only difference is lost T9 2er and 4er bonus. Could it be possible that the T9 bonus that strong?

If you want to sim with the new Equipment armory link is -> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...non&cn=Tharrag

[GT4]

Two questions:
1) Why did you put a 20 hit gem into your ring? You're already 6.75% over the spell hit cap.
2) Did you change your priorities when changing gear? 2t10 requires more frequent use of Shamanistic Rage than usual and no 4T9 may mean you need to reduce the shock priority (second one is probably only a minor change though)

[Tharrag]

1) Its cause of the crit cap which will be interesting in future
2) I simmed with SW > SR > MW_LB5 > etc. with both equipments thats is the weird thing the old equipment had > 150dps more with SR in top priority (there must be something wrong)

[GT4]

The only thing I see when changing gear around is that wearing T9 shoulders over yours may be a slight upgrade (depending on options). 4T9 even with 258 comes out ~100 DPS lower than your setup for me.

Just by the way, I'm getting more DPS for your gear when moving Shamanistic Rage below some other abilities.

[lycian]

It's funny because I got the exact opposite result. ~9700 With the armory gear. ~9500 With 4p t9. Just make sure you have "use SR as soon as available" checked when you sim.

[Tharrag]

so it seems there is something wrong with my config then i will post it later this evening when i am at home

[Boboca]

Also i think do not break T9 st bonus w/o 2 T10 bonus...

mod: sorry did not chek u in armory...

[LyskaWF]

Posting your config file will help us tell you what's wrong.

Side note: You should have the nightmare tear in your chest, not shoulders.

[Tharrag]

Posting your config file will help us tell you what's wrong.

Side note: You should have the nightmare tear in your chest, not shoulders.

yes of cause you are right with the nightmare tear will change it later thx
I'll up my config later have it on other notebook

[lycian]

So I decided to give a little more information to try and help you out.

First, if you are using the latest version of Rawr (2.3.6) then there is a known issue with the export to EnhSim. Basically it gives you more crit than you have. Levva posted a fix on EJ. It's not 100% but it's far more accurate then the 5 or so percent of extra crit it gave before.

Rawr 2.3.6 Enhancement module fix

This is my Config file for EnhSim. It's based off of the BiS thread on EJ located here. I left latency at it's default values.

### Saved by v1.9.6.1 of EnhSimGUI

config_version         1.9.6.1
simulation_time         5000
simulation_time_combatlog    300
combat_length          7.00
report_count          80
threads             1
combat_length_rng_factor    0.35
min_lag             250
max_lag             350
simulate_mana          1
cast_sr_on_cooldown       1

ep_precision          2
ep_base_stat          ap
ep_ap              80
ep_crit_rating         40
ep_hit_rating          40
ep_expertise          4
ep_haste_rating         40
ep_armor_penetration_rating   40
ep_spellpower          46
ep_dps             7.5
ep_mana             600
ep_spirit            40
ep_mp5             40

mh_auto_attack         1
oh_auto_attack         1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd       0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd    0
bloodlust_casters        1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets  1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left    15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left  4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active   1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left    0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left  2
cast_magma_only_if_ticks_left  2
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left    1250
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left  3000
necrotic_touch         0
necrotic_touch_heroic      0

rotation_priority_count     12
rotation_priority1       SW
rotation_priority2       SR
rotation_priority3       SS_0
rotation_priority4       MW5_LB
rotation_priority5       FS
rotation_priority6       ES
rotation_priority7       SS
rotation_priority8       FE
rotation_priority9       MT
rotation_priority10       LS
rotation_priority11       FN
rotation_priority12       LL
aoe_rotation_priority_count   0

fight_name           standard_single_target
miss              8.00
dodge              6.50
glancing            24.00
armor              10643
spell_miss           17.00
nature_resistance        0
fire_resistance         0
frost_resistance        0
arcane_resistance        0
shadow_resistance        0

additional_targets       0
additional_target_percent    0.00
additional_target_level     80

armor_debuff_major       20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor       5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff  4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff        20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff     5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat     687/687
attack_power_buff_multiplier  0/99.7
spell_haste_buff        5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff     5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff    5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff       13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff         280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff     3.0/3.0
haste_buff           3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase   3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff       3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier         10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff          51/51
agi_and_strength_buff      178/178
intellect_buff         60/60

replenishment          1
water_shield          0
mana_spring_totem        0
blessing_of_wisdom       1
judgement_of_wisdom       1
mixology            0

flask_elixir          flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir         -
potion             potion_of_speed
food              fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon     ###
###############################################################################

race              troll
mh_speed            2.6
oh_speed            2.6
mh_dps             216.5
oh_dps             205.6
mh_crit             43.92
oh_crit             43.92
mh_hit             15.80
oh_hit             15.80
mh_expertise_rating       136
oh_expertise_rating       136
ap               4706
melee_haste           26.48
armor_penetration        18.22
str               141
agi               1444
int               682
spi               164
spellpower           1412
spell_crit           29.97
spell_hit            19.75
spell_haste           20.37
max_mana            14346
mp5               0

mh_imbue            windfury
oh_imbue            flametongue

mh_enchant           berserking
oh_enchant           berserking

mh_weapon            -
oh_weapon            axe

trinket1            whispering_fanged_skull
trinket2            herkuml_war_token

totem              bizuris_totem_of_shattered_ice

set_bonus1           t10_battlegear_2
set_bonus2           -
set_bonus3           -

metagem             relentless_earthsiege_diamond

gloves_enchant         -
cloak_enchant          -
ring_proc            ashen_verdict

glyph_major1          feral_spirit
glyph_major2          flame_shock
glyph_major3          stormstrike

glyph_minor1          -
glyph_minor2          -
glyph_minor3          -

ancestral_knowledge       2/5
improved_shields        1/3
mental_dexterity        3/3
shamanistic_focus        1/1
flurry             5/5
elemental_weapons        3/3
unleashed_rage         3/3
weapon_mastery         3/3
dual_wield_specialization    3/3
mental_quickness        3/3
improved_stormstrike      2/2
static_shock          3/3
maelstrom_weapon        5/5

convection           0/5
concussion           5/5
call_of_flame          3/3
elemental_devastation      3/3
reverberation          0/5
elemental_focus         0/1
elemental_fury         5/5
improved_fire_nova       2/2
call_of_thunder         0/1
unrelenting_storm        0/3
elemental_precision       0/3
lightning_mastery        0/5
elemental_oath         0/2
lightning_overload       0/5
lava_flows           0/3
storm_earth_and_fire      0/3
shamanism            0/5

Dps With Armory gear set-up.

EnhSim version 1.9.6.1

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MH:
miss        783658     5.19%
dodge        15024     0.10%
glancing      3622526    24.00%
hit         1644446    10.89%
crit        9028733    59.82%
average ap     8447.03    
clip        0       0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits     13.60%
procs/swings    12.96%
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        4359      0.10%
hit         1637298    37.17%
crit        2762951    62.73%
average ap     8452.55    

MH Storsmtrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        1958      0.10%
hit         705178     37.20%
crit        1188551    62.70%
average ap     8445.84    

OH:
miss        784247     5.20%
dodge        15006     0.10%
glancing      3623722    24.01%
hit         1644610    10.90%
crit        9026912    59.80%
average ap     8450.52    
clip        0       0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         9877564    55.89%
crit        7794879    44.11%
average sp     3136.35    

OH Stormstrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        1953      0.10%
hit         705870     37.27%
crit        1185906    62.62%
average ap     8475.12    

Earth Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         821550     55.89%
crit        648298     44.11%
average sp     3137.11    

Flame Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         449471     55.92%
crit        354233     44.08%
average sp     3137.71    
dots hit      2628543    55.89%
dots crit      2074476    44.11%
average dot sp   3137.83    

Lava Lash:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        1514      0.10%
hit         550526     37.02%
crit        934897     62.87%
average ap     8437.30    

Lightning Bolt:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1557792    55.81%
crit        1233231    44.19%
average sp     3139.30    

Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1036099    55.91%
crit        817045     44.09%
average sp     3134.69    

Lightning Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         2608736    100.00%
crit        0       0.00%
average sp     3142.84    

Spirit Wolves:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      2011380    24.04%
hit         5396752    64.49%
crit        960402     11.48%
average ap     8482.61    

Magma Totem:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         3253249    55.86%
crit        2570516    44.14%
average sp     3135.05    

Fire Elemental Melee:
miss        93651     7.99%
dodge        49846     4.25%
glancing      281618     24.02%
hit         712136     60.75%
crit        35030     2.99%

Fire Elemental Fire Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1576565    92.02%
crit        136749     7.98%

Fire Elemental Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         619140     92.01%
crit        53732     7.99%

Fire Elemental Fire Blast:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1037057    92.04%
crit        89716     7.96%

Fire Elemental stats:
average ap     8548.80    
average sp     3165.37    
MPS         87.47     
MPCooldown     10496.38    
Out of mana time  5.29%
MRPCooldown     2713.35    
MRPS        22.72     

Fire Elemental   MRPS without overregen
mana regen     0.65   2.86%
judgement of wisdom 21.96   97.14%


Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM         55.27
efficiency     84.16%

flurry uptime         94.84%
unleashed rage uptime     100.00%
elemental devastation uptime  88.28%
mh enchant uptime       52.84%
oh enchant uptime       47.80%
stormstrike debuff uptime   84.78%
flame shock uptime       78.67%
lightning shield uptime    97.08%
magma totem uptime       65.30%
fire elemental uptime     28.60%

trinket1 uptime        32.45%
racial uptime         6.58%
totem uptime          99.99%
ring proc uptime        16.56%


Set bonus uptimes:
Frost Witch's Battlegear 2 piece    26.01%

          MRPS without overregen
mana regen     0.00   0.00%
mp5         14.62   5.65%
replenishment    34.44   13.30%
unrelenting storm  0.00   0.00%
judgement of wisdom 85.21   32.92%
shamanistic rage  49.29   19.04%
mana potion     0.00   0.00%
misc        0.00   0.00%
stormstrike     75.30   29.09%

          DPS         PPM    MPS
white        3443.40  35.24%  100.63
windfury      1150.16  11.77%  7.34
flametongue     829.57  8.49%   58.91
stormstrike     476.52  4.88%   6.32   34.82   13.33%
lava lash      254.90  2.61%   4.96   13.65   5.23%
magma totem     439.04  4.49%   2.27   42.13   16.14%
earth shock     390.86  4%    4.90   31.66   12.13%
flame shock     310.44  3.18%   2.68   16.35   6.26%
lightning bolt   1072.45  10.97%  9.30   68.16   26.11%
fire nova      360.45  3.69%   6.18   48.79   18.69%
lightning shield  269.50  2.76%   1.25   0.00   0.00%
spirit wolves    351.60  3.6%   0.40   3.28   1.25%
fire elemental   423.17  4.33%   0.14   2.27   0.87%
 melee       197.21  46.6%   3.91
 fire shield    15.60   3.69%   5.71
 fire nova     109.71  25.93%  2.24
 fire blast    100.65  23.79%  3.76

DPS         9772.06
MPS         261.10
MP2min       31332.20
MRPS        533.14
Out of mana time  0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 37.73s
simulation speed: 477086x

Dps with 4p t9. I assumed haste gems and nightmare tear. Only change made to the config for this test was to uncheck "use SR on every CD".

EnhSim version 1.9.6.1

................................................................................

MH:
miss        885651     5.84%
dodge        19435     0.13%
glancing      3636621    23.99%
hit         1960588    12.93%
crit        8655167    57.10%
average ap     8342.79    
clip        0       0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits     13.61%
procs/swings    12.88%
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        5662      0.13%
hit         1757783    39.86%
crit        2646757    60.01%
average ap     8348.81    

MH Storsmtrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        2663      0.14%
hit         781901     39.95%
crit        1172682    59.91%
average ap     8342.90    

OH:
miss        886787     5.85%
dodge        19867     0.13%
glancing      3635185    23.98%
hit         1960420    12.93%
crit        8655273    57.10%
average ap     8348.57    
clip        0       0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         10065711    56.70%
crit        7686373    43.30%
average sp     3104.90    

OH Stormstrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        2486      0.13%
hit         781634     39.99%
crit        1170463    59.88%
average ap     8372.84    

Earth Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         838074     56.77%
crit        638081     43.23%
average sp     3105.91    

Flame Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         455458     56.68%
crit        348146     43.32%
average sp     3106.57    
dots hit      2668203    56.74%
dots crit      2034436    43.26%
average dot sp   3106.67    

Lava Lash:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        1945      0.13%
hit         616848     39.77%
crit        932261     60.10%
average ap     8333.53    

Lightning Bolt:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1590995    56.74%
crit        1213004    43.26%
average sp     3107.95    

Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1089471    56.64%
crit        833913     43.36%
average sp     3103.20    

Lightning Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         3941419    100.00%
crit        0       0.00%
average sp     3111.09    

Spirit Wolves:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      2004140    23.96%
hit         5399050    64.54%
crit        961620     11.50%
average ap     8379.92    

Magma Totem:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         3349829    56.72%
crit        2556437    43.28%
average sp     3103.30    

Fire Elemental Melee:
miss        93389     7.99%
dodge        50000     4.28%
glancing      280433     23.99%
hit         709852     60.73%
crit        35152     3.01%

Fire Elemental Fire Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1575758    91.99%
crit        137257     8.01%

Fire Elemental Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         619516     92.01%
crit        53803     7.99%

Fire Elemental Fire Blast:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1041407    92.00%
crit        90517     8.00%

Fire Elemental stats:
average ap     8429.26    
average sp     3128.71    
MPS         87.81     
MPCooldown     10537.09    
Out of mana time  5.00%
MRPCooldown     2715.66    
MRPS        22.74     

Fire Elemental   MRPS without overregen
mana regen     0.62   2.72%
judgement of wisdom 22.01   97.28%


Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM         55.41
efficiency     84.34%

flurry uptime         93.61%
unleashed rage uptime     100.00%
elemental devastation uptime  88.12%
mh enchant uptime       52.97%
oh enchant uptime       47.93%
stormstrike debuff uptime   77.26%
flame shock uptime       78.66%
lightning shield uptime    97.05%
magma totem uptime       66.66%
fire elemental uptime     28.58%

trinket1 uptime        32.45%
racial uptime         6.57%
totem uptime          100.00%
ring proc uptime        16.56%

          MRPS without overregen
mana regen     0.00   0.00%
mp5         17.27   6.79%
replenishment    41.15   16.18%
unrelenting storm  0.00   0.00%
judgement of wisdom 103.98  40.88%
shamanistic rage  0.00   0.00%
mana potion     0.00   0.00%
misc        0.00   0.00%
stormstrike     91.98   36.16%

          DPS         PPM    MPS
white        3207.60  33.47%  101.05
windfury      1077.78  11.24%  7.35
flametongue     797.65  8.32%   59.17
stormstrike     459.32  4.79%   6.52   35.95   13.49%
lava lash      244.51  2.55%   5.17   14.24   5.34%
magma totem     428.02  4.47%   2.34   43.50   16.32%
earth shock     466.09  4.86%   4.92   31.80   11.93%
flame shock     370.38  3.86%   2.68   16.35   6.13%
lightning bolt   1017.14  10.61%  9.35   68.48   25.70%
fire nova      361.01  3.77%   6.41   50.64   19.00%
lightning shield  386.71  4.03%   1.82   0.00   0.00%
spirit wolves    349.07  3.64%   0.40   3.27   1.23%
fire elemental   419.45  4.38%   0.14   2.26   0.85%
 melee       194.31  46.32%  3.90
 fire shield    15.54   3.7%   5.71
 fire nova     109.00  25.99%  2.24
 fire blast    100.61  23.99%  3.77

DPS         9584.73
MPS         266.49
MP2min       31978.84
MRPS        268.13
Out of mana time  0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 37.67s
simulation speed: 477783x

I know this isn't perfect, but it should show the point I was trying to make. Basically, for me and it would seem for you as well the 2 set t10 is worth ~200 dps.