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    Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    I'm pretty sure that if you were to use the T10 Leggings, and then use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50983, you'd be saving yourself a fair amount of money, and getting around the same stats back, and having the same amount of gem slots.
    To mention too the T10 legs are better than T10 gloves, so it evens out a tad more.

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    Your post is absolutely pointless unless you provide some math and the heroic version of the gloves.
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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    The gloves are 60 emblems of frost bought.

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kendeura
    The gloves are 60 emblems of frost bought.
    Cheaper yes, better I doubt.
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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    A quick 'what if' comparison in Rawr gives me 80 more dps using crafted legs and tier hands. Suboptimal, of course, but a reasonable alternative if you can't afford to buy the legs. I think that covers it.

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    I'm still going to get Leggings of Woven Death.

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    Worth considering if you get the T10 legs from VoA. Long term, we'll be overflowing with frost emblems, so you can eventually get pretty much everything.

    Here are some quick DPS calculations:

    Good (maybe BiS) non-heroic gear
    Emblem Gloves: 12526.50 DPS
    Crafted Legs: 12538.26 DPS

    BiS heroic gear:
    Emblem Gloves: 14150.67 DPS
    Swizzle's FAQ: 14113.88 DPS


    Hmm... interesting. Gems might not be right though, and we're missing socket bonuses on a lot of gear. I'm going to play around with the optimizer some more.

    Edit:

    Optimizer is giving me this as the BiS selection. I wasn't super thorough, but it's definitely topping the list in the FAQ. I didn't allow multiple DFOs, but DFO277/DFO264 should beat this combination. I also filled in socket bonuses for everything with sockets and no bonuses, assuming everything got a 5/7/9 sp bonus according to the number of sockets. Enchants are only mentioned for my profession enchants, otherwise they are the defaults. All items are ilvl 277 (heroic) or ilvl 264 (heroic). DPS score is 14221.76 in Rawr 2.3.6.

    Head: T10.277 [CSD, Purified]
    Neck: Blood Queen's Crimson Choker [Reckless]
    Shoulder: T10.277 [Reckless]
    Back: Frostbiner's Shredded Cape [Reckless] (Lightweave)
    Chest: T10.277 [Reckless, Purified]
    Bracers: Death Surgeon's Sleeves [Reckless]
    Hands: San'layn Ritualists Gloves [Reckless, Purified]
    Belt: Crushing Coldwraith Belt [Reckless, Purified, Runed]
    Legs: T10.277 [Reckless, Purified]
    Feet: Plague Scientist's Boots [Reckless, Purified]
    Finger1: Ring of Rapid Ascent [Purified]
    Finger2: Ashen Verdict [Reckless]
    Trinket1: Reign.258
    Trinket2: Dislodged Foreign Object
    MH: Rigor Mortis [Reckless]
    OH: Shadow Silk Spindle
    Wand: Corpse-Impaling Spike [Reckless]

    Using Swizzle's setup, I'm getting ~14159 DPS (it's higher because I added socket bonuses since the previous check).

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    Okay, if I don't include the San'layn Ritualist Gloves in my optimization, Swizzle's setup is beating out the emblem gloves at ~14170 DPS.

    Best setup with the emblem gloves is: 14162 DPS. Only differences from Swizzle's setup:
    Death Surgeon's Sleeves 277 instead of Ether Soaked Bracers 264; Emblem gloves instead of 277 T10 and 277 T10 instead of crafted legs. And some gem changes.

    Neither beats the San'layn Ritualist Gloves setup, though. I'm going to spend some time playing around with non-heroic setups, since I think they're more interesting until we know Arthas loot next week.

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    More thorough optimized gearsets for BiS normal mode:

    All gear is 264 (25 man) or 251 (10 man)

    DPS: ~12578 DPS
    Head: T10.264 [CSD, Purified]
    Neck: Blood Queen's Crimson Choker [Reckless]
    Shoulders: T10.264 [Reckless]
    Back: Frostbinder's Shredded Cape [Reckless] (Lightweave)
    Chest: T10.264 [Runed, Purified]
    Wrist: The Lady's Brittle Bracers [Reckless]
    Gloves: T10.264 [Reckless]
    Belt: Crushing Coldwraith Belt [Runed, Purified, Runed]
    Legs: Leggings of Woven Death [Reckless, Reckless, Purified]
    Feet: Plague Scientist's Boots [Reckless]
    Finger1: Ring of Rapid Ascent [Runed] (23 SP)
    Finger2: Ashen Verdict [Reckless] (23 SP)
    Trinket1: Reign.245
    Trinket2: Dislodged Foreign Object
    MH: Rigor Mortis
    OH: Shadow Silk Spindle
    Wand: Corpse-Impaling Spike

    BiS with no T10 gloves:

    DPS: ~12509 DPS
    Changes:
    Gloves: Gloves of False Gestures [Reckless, Veiled]
    Wrists: Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers [Runed]
    Legs: T10.264 [Purified, Reckless]
    Feet: Gem changed to Runed

    Conclusion: Potential short term upgrade, but long term you want the Leggings of Woven Death at the normal level, and actually need neither at the heroic level. Of course, Arthas loot could make all of this obsolete next weeek.

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    Re: Cheap and pretty much the same alternative to T10 Craftable Legs.

    You can say all that, its cheaper or a decent alternative, yes.

    But who, in their right mind, wouldn't want the best for the character (unless they're lazy or don't give a shit. In that case, you shouldn't be playing/raiding)?

    Farming gold for Saronites could take a week, maximum. If you have level 80 alts, then even better. I managed to get all 8 of my saronites in a week, with 4 alts doing the Random Heroic each day and the Weekly Raid each week on all of them. Ask your friends if they need their Ebonweave/Spellweave cooldowns (or that dont use them). Managed to steal my friends and had all 10 within 4 days.

    I'd rather spend my tokens on things that I'm not going to be changing, ie 4 part tier10 + Leggins of Woven death, that are BiS (until Arthas loot is announced, which I highly doubt will have legs. Even if he does, only the heroic mode arthas legs will be better than Leggings of Woven Death).

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