Warlock Buffs in patch 3.3.2

[Koris]

I should have been more specific

it's very important to Blizzard

Oh, I see what you did there.

In that case, let's just focus all balancing onto Shadow Bolt. Not enough DPS? Buff coefficient/talent(s). Too high DPS? Nerf coefficient/talent(s). Of course Demo profits, too - but Demo is the lowest of our specs, anyways...and overpowered Demonic Pact is not here to stay, because Cataclysm will fix it. ;D

[Baabinator]

Blizz said once destro was a glass cannon in pvp, now it's simply glass.

You can still cut yourself on glass if your not careful.

And someone else might cut himself as well if you don't remove it.




-Read between the lines-

[scandore8472]

Difficult, but still not impossible. Options I could see would be:

• Baseline haste scaling on Corruption/CoA, would free up a glyph slot (Quick Decay is mandatory, and Blizzard has stated they'd like to test the system with glyphs first, so why not move on to the "next phase"? ) and make CoA a more noteworthy contribution to our damage, as it is rarely used in PvP
• Buff the "Improved Felhunter" talent, buff Shadow Bite - not enough points for it in PvP specs, anyways (and we're a pet class after all, so pets being important for our damage is fine with me)
• Add a damage over time effect to Shadow Bolt, similar to Unholy Blight. You don't stand around turreting Shadow Bolts into people, and in case Nightfall procs it's only a very minor damage boost. Numbers could also easily be tweaked if damage gets too low/to high.
• Or, if we really don't want to use our imagination - change the Glyph of Shadow Bolt to increase its' damage by x%.

These are not perfect (obviously), just something I came up with during breakfast.

Don't count on that happening anytime soon. Glyph of conflag was also supposed to be a 'test'. They are even on record saying that glyphs should not make or break a spec, but we all know destro is terrible without that glyph. I don't know any other class that has a spec that requires a specific glyph for the spec to be viable. Sure there are some glyphs that are better then others, but it doesn't break the spec if you don't use them. If it wasn't for the glyph, no serious raider would ever spec destro. I would even go as far to say that without the glyph, destro is more broken then demo was pre 3.3.

[Zygersaf]

i was quite happy with conflagate before the whole 20% thing so now its 40% that sucks even more i spose the imp thing is ok but thats only like another 50dps :s

[harky]

They doubled the damage of Conflag's DoT and somehow that sucks? Confusing.

The Destro buffs are a little underwhelming, but they're pretty scared of people getting one-shot again. Pretty sure it's a total non-issue with the new resil changes. They're playing it too safe.

[gherkin]

Affliction change, for me in my gear, is a 700 dps boost.

That's enough to bring me from 12th to 8th on the meters. I'm happy.

[Superdoll]

I'm sorry for all of you, how think that wl's really needed this buff...
In my 25m raid i'm normally under the first 5 dpser's .. as affliction...

the only buff that was needed is the destro buff and this is kind of low...... L2P haha x)

[kidvicious]

lol yea..i can make top 5 on most the new fights (as demo) but hey buff me away
http://www.wowmeteronline.com//combat/log/1412275
a few fights for reference... obviously im brootalkid
edit: those blood queen wipes were do to our noob warr getting mced while doign the infusion quest for his shadowmourne...yea we wiped that many times for a legendary

[blargh312]

I'm sorry for all of you, how think that wl's really needed this buff...
In my 25m raid i'm normally under the first 5 dpser's .. as affliction...

the only buff that was needed is the destro buff and this is kind of low...... L2P haha x)

Your anecdotal evidence is obviously the absolute truth and overrides all the simcrafting and numerous WWS/WOL parses that show warlocks lagging behind all the other pure DPS classes as well as a few hybrids on pretty much every ICC fight.

[harky]

Problem with all these parses of Locks claiming to be doing very well... they're ranking well among top Warlocks, while the others in their raid are performing very poorly. In those circumstances? Sure, Locks are doing great. :P

[hellar]

Would anyone mind doing the nerd math to find out how much of a damg buff each tree is getting thx

[Tritone496]

Just feel the need to point out the obvious in relation to the conflag " buff ". This is just an attempt to fix a nerf to conflag when it didnt have a dot - it just hit for all its damage on proc. Then it was nerfed to its current state of 60% of its damage plus another 20 as a dot. Now they are adding another 20% to get us back eventually to 100% of its original damage. This is not a buff but rather a way to still get proper damage without causing pvp toons with no resilience to scream about getting 2 shotted in bg. gee thanks. now instead of sucking hind tit we will just be mediocre.
Mayde the imp will carry me LOL

[harky]

Would anyone mind doing the nerd math to find out how much of a damg buff each tree is getting thx

Affliction gains 5% damage to everything except drain soul. Check a parse to see how much that would be. Demo is gaining something like 6-8% depending on procs and Decimation time. Destro is looking like something like 3-3.5% overall. Check over on EJ they have spreadhseets up already looking over the new numbers. Most are coming up with Afflic > Demo > Destro for personal DPS now.

[kidvicious]

Problem with all these parses of Locks claiming to be doing very well... they're ranking well among top Warlocks, while the others in their raid are performing very poorly. In those circumstances? Sure, Locks are doing great. :P

id love to see your guilds performance meters and compare them to mine so i can see what i shoudl expect from my fellow raiders

[Deleted]

Affliction gains 5% damage to everything except drain soul. Check a parse to see how much that would be. Demo is gaining something like 6-8% depending on procs and Decimation time. Destro is looking like something like 3-3.5% overall. Check over on EJ they have spreadhseets up already looking over the new numbers. Most are coming up with Afflic > Demo > Destro for personal DPS now.

Isnt drain soul shadow damage?

[scandore8472]

Just feel the need to point out the obvious in relation to the conflag " buff ". This is just an attempt to fix a nerf to conflag when it didnt have a dot - it just hit for all its damage on proc. Then it was nerfed to its current state of 60% of its damage plus another 20 as a dot. Now they are adding another 20% to get us back eventually to 100% of its original damage. This is not a buff but rather a way to still get proper damage without causing pvp toons with no resilience to scream about getting 2 shotted in bg. gee thanks. now instead of sucking hind tit we will just be mediocre.
Mayde the imp will carry me LOL

Good observation. I forgot conflag has gone through 2 nerfs.

Also, dont you love how they nerfed the shit out of conflag to fix people from getting 2 shotted, and balanced the spell around the old state of resil. Then doubled the damage reduction from resil.

The conflag nerf, combined with the resil boost has completely killed destro locks in pvp. I was actually looking forward to playing my lock again in pvp when I heard about the resil buff. It had slipped my mind that pvp destro was nerfed into the ground with this last patch, I guess mostly because pve dps is the same, and i raid more then i pvp. Anyways, after a several bgs, I realized the resil buff was yet another hidden nerf to destro. Any survivability I gained, was immediately lost because I was hitting for jack shit. And unless they add some kind of dispel protection to the conflag dot, any amount of buffing to it won't mean shit in pvp.

[kidvicious]

the conflag dot cannot be dispelled..only immolate

[Bakis]

Well you might be right about the PvP issues. I just don't care enough to worry about it because I think WoW PvP is extremely bad and hardly ever participate in it - Yea, I'm being selfish I know.

I'm just happy this results in nice PvE buff. About your argument that we're not able to do enough damage on adds, you're wrong. On fights like Saur I do slightly less damage on adds than our CD stacking arcane mages. On Putri the spriest and I simply own. The add doesn't even have the chance to reach it's target to explode.

So good buffs, very good buffs

Those are not adds my friend. They die super fast, most ppl get maybe 3 spells off on each if they have casttime, we can tabcorrupt each and thats a instantcast dot that haste applies to so its not really a wonder that we do just a little less than the other specs. Lets take the trash up to Queen as example instead, I know we AoE them but they got substancial enough hp to have been labeled as a real multitarget and if we didnt just SoCspam there we would have really poor damage on the ones without 2x (soon 3x BAAAAAAAAAAH) SE stacks.

Why this worries me is that I have the hardmodes in mind when there is a real threat that addburst, oozeburst etc might cause a real threat to affliction. There is a real danger that afflictionlocks have to use dualspec on way more fights cos they simply need to have a true multitarget damage if to count as burst. I simply dont wanne have to go demo just cos I lack afflictions "burst" which is good multitarget damage.

[kidvicious]

i think the ability to significantly dmg multiple targets may be enough to outweigh the needed burst ona fight if you are that worried about having to respec. because you'll be rolling full dots on the boss and then able to quickly switch and dot up the adds while still hurting the boss, and due to your raids burst the add should be low enough to execute by the time you ramped up on it

[Bakis]

Depends on how much hp or number. 1 add is np even to keep up SE on but with only 2 used spells as instant and rest castime make me imobile so this 3x change is smt I dont like a bit.