Need balance druid help

[Mekekek]

Hi everyone, I have a balance druid with pretty nice gear but my dps is a bit low imo. Self buffed I have 3069 sp, 26.8% crit (in moonkin form) 285 hit (I'm tauren so I don't get 1% from dreanei aura), 558 haste rating and I do about 4400 dps on dummy with mark of the wild without using starfall (since it will hit the other 10 dummies around me too). I use glyph of moonfire, glyph of insect swarm and glyph of starfire. Is this problem I'm having that have wrong prio on stats or doing wrong rotations, or do I just expect more than I should.

[Stiggie]

Your crit seems very low. Without seeing your spec or gear I can't give you much else.

[Deleted]

You dont mention your rotation at all, and you don't post us your armory. That really limits us in helping you, mate

[Mekekek]

Well, reason for the low crit is because my guild wanted me to get go balance instead of resto, and I'm not really comfortable with posting my armory link. Here's at least my spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0eM0uqIscdIVuRuZbxczb. My rotation is like most other druids, FF, IS, moonfire, spam wrath until eclipse procs then change to starfire, and just refresh the dots when needed. I usually use trinkets right after lunar eclipse procs the first time.

[Deleted]

See, your armory would be really good to look at so we have an idea of what kind of items you have access to.

Key points i notice on your spec:

- 3 points in genesis. Why? Thats a whooping 0,6% DPS increase!
- No points in imp. moonfire. Why? You probably don't have full tier 10, and tier 9 is very easy to get, so a losely based guess is that you do have 2pt9 - in which case, imp. moonfire is a massive upgrade. Heck, it probably even is without 2pt9, at least more than genesis.
- I am an advocate of 2/2 nature's reach. Whatever you do, you really want to be able to move freely. Longer range = win, especially in many of the ICC fights.

What DPS are you doing in raids? Which fights are we talking about? 10/25? What IS your gear?

[Sinizine]

Yeah, saying things like "I usually use trinkets right after lunar eclipse procs the first time" is not really helpful since we don't know your trinkets. Really aren't a ton of great on use trinkets for Boomkins in the first place, and that could be part of your problem right there. I am guessing you have either the one from ToC 10, or the one from H PoS. In which case, again, not great trinkets, and if it's the H PoS one, you're using it at the wrong time. If you're uncomfortable posting your armory for privacy reason, there are websites where you can create custom character dummies and load them with your gear.

Just a couple base thoughts: ditch some haste in favor of some crit. And follow Qieth's advice regarding genesis.

[dazline]

balance is abit behind other dps specs atm anyways, so i wouldnt worry about catching those rogues next patch has afew buffs coming for you tho.

[Mekekek]

Well, I don't have 2 t9 pieces, and as I said I use glyph of moonfire so the 700% crit every ≈20 sec isn't gonna boost my dps at all. The genesis points are filler points since neither imp moonfire or moonglow are useful for me. And if seeing my gear is gonna give you some more ideas I guess is better to post it. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...&cn=Lemonparty . I use the trinket that gives you ≈500 haste rating that you can buy for 50 emblems of triumph, mostly cause I'm in need of the hit rating atm. The reason why I don't have 2 t9 parts is because I just changed from resto to balance, and I find the resto gear to have better stats (at least the chest) since they have the same amount of sp, but the resto gear have more crit and more spirit. The answer to high haste instead of crit also is because of the recent spec change (resto need a lot of haste). But I have heard that balance also need a lot, at least to get wrath down to 1 sec cast with BL and Nature's grace. Would love some more tips because so far nothing have really helped.

[Tycat]

get a main hand and off hand weapon that has some hit on it maybe change some gems maybe the boot enchat to 12 12 crit or whatever that is and replace trinkets and you should up ur deeps by alot and i still think ur under hitcap its 11% (with imp ff) and 14% without

[Deleted]

Well, I don't have 2 t9 pieces, and as I said I use glyph of moonfire so the 700% crit every ≈20 sec isn't gonna boost my dps at all. The genesis points are filler points since neither imp moonfire or moonglow are useful for me. And if seeing my gear is gonna give you some more ideas I guess is better to post it. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...&cn=Lemonparty . I use the trinket that gives you ≈500 haste rating that you can buy for 50 emblems of triumph, mostly cause I'm in need of the hit rating atm. The reason why I don't have 2 t9 parts is because I just changed from resto to balance, and I find the resto gear to have better stats (at least the chest) since they have the same amount of sp, but the resto gear have more crit and more spirit. The answer to high haste instead of crit also is because of the recent spec change (resto need a lot of haste). But I have heard that balance also need a lot, at least to get wrath down to 1 sec cast with BL and Nature's grace. Would love some more tips because so far nothing have really helped.

Alright, i have just a few, quick comments to you (/sarcasm :P)

Spirit is not good for you. Sure, it gives you 30% of it as SP, but you generally don't want gear with spirit on.

You definately don't want to use resto pieces if you can get the moonkin pieces. You should DEFINATELY switch your chest out.

Your crit is very low. Very, very low for your level of raiding. A major problem with your gear, however, is your gems and enchants - this is why we ask for an armory, so we don't have to guess.

Helmet: Your meta gem is wrong. I understand that you used to be resto, but you want the crit damage gem for damage instead. There is also no point in gemming for SP/int. Go for SP/crit instead. Your helmet isn't enchanted.
Neck: You have a +20 hit rating gem here, which is strange seeing as you are 22 over the hit rating cap. Gem this one with pure SP.
Cloak: You are using a lower enchant than whats available to you (+23 haste).
Chest: You are gemming your (resto) chest with haste. Not good at your point. Use a SP/crit gem instead, or rather, switch your chest and use a SP/spi gem (as you need two of these for your new meta gem). Get +10 stats when you get your tier 9 chest piece.
Gloves: Not enchanted, rare gem.
Belt: Its not really worth going for the socket bonuses on this belt. The benefit you currently get from your gems and socket bonus is about 65,2 DPS. If you put in three red gems and lose the socket bonus, you are looking at around 96,6 DPS. Its not a very good belt in any case - its good enough for now, but it has spirit.
Pants: 2x 20 haste gems is bad. Consider getting tier 9 legs as well, which will give you a bit of hit so you might be able to upgrade your trinkets.
Boots: Gem is fine, but enchant isn't. Get tuskars vitality (8% run speed increase, great for raids) or (probably better in your case) Icewalker for 12 crit and hit.
Rings are alright. Trinkets are not. Im suggesting a few changes here, so switch out your trinkets and see how your hit is after that. If need be, its alright to throw in a few hit gems to get to 263 hit rating. Even the Sundial from emblems is better than your Sliver of Pure Ice, and if you can lose the trinket, almost any other trinket would be preferable. Maybe a nice Illustration or Eye of the Brood Mother, if you can get it.

Consider getting the Bejeweled Wizards Bracers made. They are godly.

So in short, you have many, many, many things you can do, and most of them can be done outside of raids. Get a bunch of triumph emblems, get your gear sorted, pump up that crit. You are 158 over your soft haste cap, but far below any soft crit cap, and this is probably where all your problems are. If your guild wants you to go balance, these are the changes you will have to make.

Key pointers on gems: http://qieths-quips.com/lets-talk-about-gems/ (im seriously not going to rewrite that :P)

[Sinizine]

Ignore the the stats for the most part. Set bonus outweighs them all. It's not like it's hard to obtain them. Get them. The only time you should consider dropping them is for tier 10. You have the tier 10 shoulders, so farm tier 9 of the rest. Shouldn't be hard with a healing offset to get groups. You can re-use your healer gear in the meantime, but if you actually want to increase your DPS, you need the tier, and not to be double dipping the gear. Your meta, for example, is not good for balance, and so are half of your gems.

Someone lied to you about boomkin needing a lot of haste. We are the caster class that, if anything, gets the least out of it. Hitting 1 second wraths with nature's grace requires 401 haste. You don't get much benefit out of Bloodlust when casting wrath except for if you manage to not proc Nature's Grace. We still benefit after 401 haste, but not to the point of gemming it like you have. And get any trinket besides the 10 man marrowgar one. You'd probably get more DPS out of the trinket from normal 5 man ToC. The hit rating one is ok until you get capped, but needs a replacement soon too.

[Raissmo]

What Qieth said.

Not a bad idea actually, i'll just post this in every moonkin thread

[Sinizine]

Also, considering by achievement feed you just completed TOC 25 again, your guild still runs it weekly, and therefore you probably have access to trophies, and chances are, not a lot of action going for them right now. I could understand being hesitant about the 232 pieces (though you should still get them), but if you're doing TOC still and can get the 245 gear, you really have no reason not too.

[Distoration]

Hello Fellow Boomkins,
I need help with something. of course you know we are kinda low dps while moving around and stuff. but i have a feeling my gear or something is wrong with my toon that my dps is low from time to time. can someone help me with tips or something?
My Rotation is the same as anyone else's.
Im not Spec'd into IFF.
and i know im over hit capped.
oh and i have Glyph of Innervate cuz im always innervating healers.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...cn=Distoration

please help

[bockbear]

Hello Fellow Boomkins,
I need help with something. of course you know we are kinda low dps while moving around and stuff. but i have a feeling my gear or something is wrong with my toon that my dps is low from time to time. can someone help me with tips or something?
My Rotation is the same as anyone else's.
Im not Spec'd into IFF.
and i know im over hit capped.
oh and i have Glyph of Innervate cuz im always innervating healers.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...cn=Distoration

please help

Your spec needs a lot of work you have a huge number of wasted points. Start there. Get new trinkets both of yours are nearly useless. Get less haste more crit. Don't ever gem INT

[Davinfelth]

I'm not Q so i don't have it in me to give you a lengthy explanation, but what I CAN tell you quickly is...

Way too much haste, not enough crit

Too much hit

Bad spec

Craptastic trinks

Not trying to knock you, but those are things that just leaped off your armory at me in the first 10 seconds.

I'd recommend my spec, except I need to take 1 point out of Owlkin Frenzy and max out IIS again, just keep forgetting. Some people prefer the AoE bonus of gale winds over owlkin, but all I care about is my DPS on downing bosses, I don't care about trash DPS and there are no AoE bosses in ICC as of yet.

[Sinizine]

Again, stop breaking the tier bonuses early. You should not be breaking 4 piece tier 9 for those legs. Trinkets are bad, especially the Intellect one. You don't have a belt buckle, your wrists are not enchanted, your pants don't have the cloth armor (but you should get tier anyway), you should not be using the SP/Int and SP/haste, and could lose a few of the SP/spirit ones (for example, +6 haste rating socket bonus is not worth gemming for). What does innervating healers have to do with anything? You shouldn't have enough mana issues that you need the bonus returned to you (and really, your healers shouldn't need innervates that badly).

Spec needs a lot of work, ditch Nature's Focus and Genesis and get IFF being the main points.

[Distoration]

Again, stop breaking the tier bonuses early. You should not be breaking 4 piece tier 9 for those legs. Trinkets are bad, especially the Intellect one. You don't have a belt buckle, your wrists are not enchanted, your pants don't have the cloth armor (but you should get tier anyway), you should not be using the SP/Int and SP/haste, and could lose a few of the SP/spirit ones (for example, +6 haste rating socket bonus is not worth gemming for). What does innervating healers have to do with anything? You shouldn't have enough mana issues that you need the bonus returned to you (and really, your healers shouldn't need innervates that badly).

Spec needs a lot of work, ditch Nature's Focus and Genesis and get IFF being the main points.

only why i broke the 4p t9 is because im getting 2p t10 this week.
but ill consider what all three of you said. thank you

[Mekekek]

Thanks for all the tips. Little concerned about getting the 4 set piece bonus from t.9 since I need to give up my head or shoulders. Then about which item that I should buy next form emblems of frost, is it t10 shoulders or a trinket. From your response it sounds like I need a new trinket, but the set bonus is tempting.

[Mekekek]

Should I gem for SP or sp/crit?