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  1. #981

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by phyrix
    Till I see some absolute proof that they INTENDED to use the bug to make the encounter easier for them I'm going to go ahead and believe Ensidia.

    I for one, believe in 'Innocent till proven guilty
    Blizzard banned them and removed all loot and achivements! is that not prove enough ?

  2. #982

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    I would guess there is a 99.9% chance they were being watched the entire time. I know of atleast two times a GM was watching my guild on server firsts and we are no where close to Ensidia.

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    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Foxx
    This is so obviously set up that it's laughable.

    I kind of feel sorry for the Ensidia fanboys.

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    I read some of Bergg's replies (beginning of the topic and on his website) and they totally make sense and so far haven't been countered.

    They either:
    a) Tanked the lich king on the edge of the platform, which would be suicide (due to the val'kyrs) UNLESS YOU KNOW THE PLATFORM IS THERE TO STOP IT.
    b) Tanked the Lich King in the middle, and then the question arises. WHY did they bomb the outer part of the platform.

    They show no proof that they dps'ed the Val'kyrs. There are gaps and inconsistencies in their combat logs. They had several of their guild members drop professions and powerlevel engineering on the same day they did the lich king.

    Ensidia isn't stupid. They knew they were doing the wrong thing.

    Blizzard isn't stupid either, if they turn to banning they must have some solid evidence.

    If this all adds up and it turns out Ensidia knowingly and purposefully exploited on the Lich King encounter, then IMO a 3 day ban is going soft on them.

    Say what you want about blizzard not fully testing. If you know how much code goes into a fight like that, and how many different variables affect such a fight (hint: several hundreds of thousands, if not millions). You know they can't forsee everything. Especially on a fight that isn't publicly tested (because they can't do that for obvious reasons).

    Not gonna say if the ban is deserved or not at the moment. IMO people are innocent until proven otherwise, but so far I'm seeing a dead body and Ensidia has blood stains all over their shirts.
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    Make no mistake. Ensidia knew what they were doing. Its their job.
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  4. #984

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Endre
    Still on Ensidia's side ... It was Blizzard's mistake to release it if it wasn't tested ... fixed and so on. When I do my Job I do it like it should be done ... if not, I get yelled at or worse ... And it's not even as close responsibility-wise as this one.
    And the world is a happier place for it. I can tell you've never worked in Software Design/Development. There are very few pieces of software in this world that are proven to be bug free. I can assure you that most software running on space shuttles and the likes isn't bug free, and you expect a game to be?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Blizzard, but do please get a clue before you talk about software development as if it's too simple compared to your job

    We, People who play WoW, pay Blizzard ... And at top of that they can ban people cause they used something, Blizzard was not able to repair ... cmon!!! They should apologize for not making it perfect!!! We pay, we are the customers here ... I just don't get it.
    Blizzard did repair it. It's also, generally, easier to repair bugs when you get feedback from your customers. Kugen admitted he didn't give any such feedback.

    Sure, they could've been using glitches ... I don't care. I'm not much of a First Kill Freak or anything... It was the developer who made them possible ... If you don't want Glitches - Test it properly or get new employees.

    I Love Blizzard <3 but this is afterall business where you must respect your customers. So First check on your own territory then pick it on customers (But even that is not acceptable and a major company like Blizz should be aware of that.)
    If your customers break the rules you established, you are within your rights (given the EULA and ToS) to terminate the contractual relationship. I.e. permban.

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    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    This put them in their place. Its good that Blizzard establishes some authority and to the true winner go the spoils. GRATS PARAGON!
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    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Endre
    I Love Blizzard <3 but this is afterall business where you must respect your customers. So First check on your own territory then pick it on customers (But even that is not acceptable and a major company like Blizz should be aware of that.)
    I think it's due to the respect they have for their customers that the ban was issued to begin with. If anyone else got caught using these mechanics they'd have had a 72 hour ban too.

    They were being fair.

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    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    interesting thought: if paragon got the worlds first kill using saronite bombs before the bug was hotfixed would they have got a 72hr ban and the achievement removed?

    Gratz to both Paragon and Ensidia you BOTH got the world first in my opinion
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    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by gcbirzan
    And the world is a happier place for it. I can tell you've never worked in Software Design/Development. There are very few pieces of software in this world that are proven to be bug free. I can assure you that most software running on space shuttles and the likes isn't bug free, and you expect a game to be?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Blizzard, but do please get a clue before you talk about software development as if it's too simple compared to your job
    Blizzard did repair it. It's also, generally, easier to repair bugs when you get feedback from your customers. Kugen admitted he didn't give any such feedback.
    If your customers break the rules you established, you are within your rights (given the EULA and ToS) to terminate the contractual relationship. I.e. permban.
    I know what you mean mate and I know I can't imagine can harsh it can be in software development.

    I'm was just trying to say that they should be blamed a bit aswell.

  9. #989

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by blupp
    yeah ensidia and all its members are forced by law to proof their innocent to the mighty mmo champ forum trolls.
    says the guy with 34 posts, troll about how great they are...


    They are a top 5 guild
    Top 5 guilds record their kills
    This is a "world first" (its not a world first, they didnt even down the lich king, they dont have the achieve after all)
    They wont show the video
    There is a ~7 minute gap in their combat logs

    Wheres the video that they DID record. Where is the missing ~7 minutes of their combat log? Releasing a jigsaw puzzle of a combat log and not releasing their vid. makes them look guilty regardless of the actuality.
    As for prot... haha losers he dmg needs a nerf with the intercept shield bash wtf silence crit a clothie like a mofo.
    Wow.

  10. #990

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Endre
    I know what you mean mate and I know I can't imagine can harsh it can be in software development.

    I'm was just trying to say that they should be blamed a bit aswell.
    They should, yes. But Blizzard never claimed to make perfect encounters/software, whereas Ensidia's players did agree not to exploit such bugs.

  11. #991

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Blizzard doesn't test their stuff, then this happens.

    FU Blizzard; how about you lay off your testers and hire new ones
    Agreed, they should have to redo the fight but not get the ban for a mistake blizz failed to catch while testing.

  12. #992

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    If they are indeed a top 5 guild and have said themselves that they have come across glitches in the past, then they knew something was wrong. It was an exploit and they knew, yet continued trying without reporting it. That warrants a suspension. Not hard to figure out Ensidia.

  13. #993

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Justice is served.

    If Ensidia has not done anything wrong they should produce the unedited fraps ( to show everyone what blizzard did was wrong).
    Their surely cant be anything gained by keeping the video secret anymore.....



    .... except Ensidias integrity.


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    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by gcbirzan
    They should, yes. But Blizzard never claimed to make perfect encounters/software, whereas Ensidia's players did agree not to exploit such bugs.
    True and Agree with you. Also removed my post just so I won't be another troll on the forums complaining about stuff I don't know much about.


  15. #995

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Hopefully next time they reach a new encounter, and see something happening that isn't intentional, they will wipe it and wait for a hotfix(or figure out a way to make sure it doesn't bug), not abuse the bug and kill the boss.

  16. #996

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Quote Originally Posted by gcbirzan
    Blizzard did repair it. It's also, generally, easier to repair bugs when you get feedback from your customers. Kugen admitted he didn't give any such feedback.
    why would he need to ensue a ticket when there are actual gms watching over the fight ? it's true he should have anyway but that only adds to both blizzard's and ensidia's failure on this.
    you won't make anyone believe gms watching over this fight were clueless enough to believe parts of the room reappearing where they sould not is a normal thing.
    you won't make anyone believe ensidia were the only ones to notice the bug.
    blizzard knew there was something fishy about this peculiar area of the room, yet they reacted after it was exploited.
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  17. #997

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    They are a top 5 guild
    Top 5 guilds record their kills
    This is a "world first" (its not a world first, they didnt even down the lich king, they dont have the achieve after all)
    They wont show the video
    There is a ~7 minute gap in their combat logs

    Wheres the video that they DID record. Where is the missing ~7 minutes of their combat log? Releasing a jigsaw puzzle of a combat log and not releasing their vid. makes them look guilty regardless of the actuality.
    Good point, but they still shouldn't be banned. The final boss of ICC should take weeks to kill for the best guilds. I am sure they will still down it, and yet one of the most powerful bosses in WoW lore is reduced to an easy boss and a dissapointment. The video was also a dissapointment, where is Sylvannas? *side note*

  18. #998

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Banned because Blizz doesnt know anything about their own game, or test anything.... Nice, are they honestly saying that they didnt know anything about the saronite bomb thing considering its all over the hardcore sites dedicated to their game. Nobody whos job it is to keep track of this stuff and keep the game updated and balanced thought it might be a problem?

    Take away the achievement, make them do it over... fine, but to ban them because you dont know how to test your own game is a joke.


  19. #999

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Why do you still care about this drama? Paragon now is the new king and Ensidia is just a past tense.

  20. #1000

    Re: Ensidia suspended for 72 Hours

    Where was all this talk when that one guild killed yogg 0 lights world first?

    THey got what was coming to them

    So did ensidia

    Now stop trying to act like ensidia is god and you worship them
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    man allways the same reply's i get from peopple with the iq of a appel.

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