Tank gear

[jenseits]

I've kinda hit a wall here and need some help on where to get tank gear. My GS(i get sick everytime i use that term) is at 4750 for my tank and even though i've already shown i don't have any trouble tanking ICC10, that apparently doesn't count for anything and now i can't get into the raid. My guild's 10s are all full, and when i try to make my own groups, people don't want anything to do with my tank. I tried just doing TOC10 for some upgrades, but the same thing happens there.

I've spent all the badges i could on all the best tank gear, save for frost emblems because my main spec is Ret and i'm working towards shadow's edge for my guild's 25 man. Where, if at all, can i obtain any more tank gear to just boost GS, specifically shields and trinkets

[Prentice]

As far as shields go, you're probably SoL. After finishing off gearing your ret spec, you can and will want to buy the Emblem of Frost tank trinket. Getting the ICC crafted legs is probably a very large upgrade and the boots likely are too. While these patterns require primordial saronite, that may mean you'll have to wait on those too.

Trying to completely gear out two different specs with a limited amount of resources, in this case Emblems of Frost, has been an issue with each of the last few content patches because of the badge system.

[Eurytos]

Frost Emblems are no longer a scarce resourse. You should be able to get plenty.

1 raid weekly from Dal - 5 Frost per week
1 raid weekly in ICC 10 - 5 Frost badges and 2 from the miniboss -7 per week
1 raid weekly in ICC 25- 5 and 2 - 7 per week
2 from random daily - 14 per week
2 from each boss killed from 10 and 25 - calculate your own, i'll assume 5-7 bosses from both 10 and 25, conservatively - 20+/28+ Frost emblems per week

For a very possible 50+ emblems every week. Tier and/or badge gear for 2 specs shouldn't be very difficult. I understand the number could be lower if you only raid 10 or only 25, but the possibilities are there. GL to you, as I am in the reverse situation. Prot main, ret offspec.

To answer your question, full t9 ilvl245 and other ilvl245 gear should bump you close the 5k GS(i know, i dont like it either), and less people would drop you so quickly. All tier 9 takes is triumph badges, snag some trophies and youre good to go. You can certainly tank heroics in your tank gear, and since queues for tanks are instant, you can rack up triumph badges as quickly as you can run the instance.

[jenseits]

Frost Emblems are no longer a scarce resourse. You should be able to get plenty.

1 raid weekly from Dal - 5 Frost per week
1 raid weekly in ICC 10 - 5 Frost badges and 2 from the miniboss -7 per week
1 raid weekly in ICC 25- 5 and 2 - 7 per week
2 from random daily - 14 per week
2 from each boss killed from 10 and 25 - calculate your own, i'll assume 5-7 bosses from both 10 and 25, conservatively - 20+/28+ Frost emblems per week

For a very possible 50+ emblems every week. Tier and/or badge gear for 2 specs shouldn't be very difficult. I understand the number could be lower if you only raid 10 or only 25, but the possibilities are there. GL to you, as I am in the reverse situation. Prot main, ret offspec.

To answer your question, full t9 ilvl245 and other ilvl245 gear should bump you close the 5k GS(i know, i dont like it either), and less people would drop you so quickly. All tier 9 takes is triumph badges, snag some trophies and youre good to go. You can certainly tank heroics in your tank gear, and since queues for tanks are instant, you can rack up triumph badges as quickly as you can run the instance.

believe me i want to get better gear but until i can improve my ret dps for my 25 man raid, i just can't spare the badges towards it. I know i could atleast invest a few badges towards tank gear, but the investment wouldn't pay off soon enough to make up for it. You mentioned TOC25, but as i said people hardly want me for TOC10 let alone 25. It's one hell of a catch 22 that so many people are caught in. And i truly believe that GS has everything to do with it.

[Offhand]

You can always just offset stuff if you run ret in 10 mans, people can't need gear from there forever.

At the same time you should check out the pre raid setup I included in the FAQ, it includes two badge items (cloak and trinket). You are pretty much limited to a 245 trinket and a 200 one unless you're raiding as prot and won't spend frost emblems on new stuff though.

[jenseits]

Ya, just thought plate dps is a dime a dozen, so while i can seek as ret and know i'm good enough for that, just may take forever. However, i suppose i could also say my MS is prot, go as ret, and pass on all the dps gear if they let me do that.

I'm so tempted by the badge gear, sooner i get my axe the better...

[purusa]

I'm sitting at like 5071gs, and have the same troubles mate. Yesterday I leveled my fishing to like 160 while i waited all day for an invite to something. Was probably about 4 hours (I watched a movie) but as far as I've been told, the solution is to get into totc25, and get some loot. The saronite swordbreaker bracers are a nice up, and not really too expensive. So I'll say good luck to you, and as I'm hoping, the gear will come.

[Banan]

Would get shield in totc 10 or 25 in your case and trinket can be bought from emblems, If your lucky you will get trinket in totc25 after some weeks aswell.

[jenseits]

When stuff like this comes up, to this degree, i can't see why blizzard can't look for a way to solve this. I know they don't want to restrict people's creativity with addons, but when this degree of elitism comes up, when it's that easy to exclude people, i can't see how that is good for the game

[scintal]

When stuff like this comes up, to this degree, i can't see why blizzard can't look for a way to solve this. I know they don't want to restrict people's creativity with addons, but when this degree of elitism comes up, when it's that easy to exclude people, i can't see how that is good for the game

/shrug , you probably wouldn't want some undergear dps in your raid too.

And just because now it's working against you, you want it removed.

Might as well not allow people to inspect others, like, "this guys has no ICC gear, he can't come!".

/shrug.

[jenseits]

/shrug , you probably wouldn't want some undergear dps in your raid too.

And just because now it's working against you, you want it removed.

Might as well not allow people to inspect others, like, "this guys has no ICC gear, he can't come!".

/shrug.

Define undergeared. If by that you mean i wouldn't take someone geared in nothing higher than naxx to ICC10 then ya you're probably right. THAT is undergeared. Being 200 points under an arbitrary "score" that omits people who are actually good enough is wrong. Inspecting someone is different because people are less likely to have the same judgements. But EVERYONE thinks aboutt he same number when it comes to GS.

[balloonknot]

Define undergeared. If by that you mean i wouldn't take someone geared in nothing higher than naxx to ICC10 then ya you're probably right. THAT is undergeared. Being 200 points under an arbitrary "score" that omits people who are actually good enough is wrong. Inspecting someone is different because people are less likely to have the same judgements. But EVERYONE thinks aboutt he same number when it comes to GS.

if a pug only accepts people of a certain gear score chances are they are idiots and you don't want to run with them anyway. i wouldn't say everyone is hopped up on gear score, maybe 80% of people running around doing pugs are, but 80% of people in pugs are also terrible players, the things we put up with to gear alts.

I quite like gear score honestly, not because i think its actually useful as a metric, but because it makes it very easy to identify bad players and bad pugs. If all someone is talks about is gear score or if the opening question from a raid leader is "what is your gear score" i know hes an idiot and can go find a different pug saving myself having to wipe 5% into the first boss.

[jenseits]

if a pug only accepts people of a certain gear score chances are they are idiots and you don't want to run with them anyway. i wouldn't say everyone is hopped up on gear score, maybe 80% of people running around doing pugs are, but 80% of people in pugs are also terrible players, the things we put up with to gear alts.

I quite like gear score honestly, not because i think its actually useful as a metric, but because it makes it very easy to identify bad players and bad pugs. If all someone is talks about is gear score or if the opening question from a raid leader is "what is your gear score" i know hes an idiot and can go find a different pug saving myself having to wipe 5% into the first boss.

Then it must be my server. EVERY pug that shouts for ICC or TOC posts a minimum GS that's around 5k. I have all the gear i can get outside of heroics, and even a few pieces from the triumph set, and all the badge gear, save frost stuff. And i did the math on the frost gear. Even if i did upgrade my cape and trinket to those, i would be just under 5k and i've seen so many times people kicked out for being more than a few points away from that mark. But i suppose i'll have an easier time convincing people if i'm that much closer

[Offhand]

Gearscore is doing exactly what people want it to do to you. Motivate you to get gear.

[Marrel]

I have the exact same problem as you, my main spec is ret so i use frost emblems on that, but I really like to tank and would like to be able to tank end game content also. My prot GS is 4700 ish and occasionally I can put together a Totc10 group but I haven't gotten ANY tanking gear to drop in about 4 clears of that, i think we just will have to put up with this GS stuff for a few more weeks until we either get the drops we need from Totc10/25's or wait until the tanks for ICC get geared enough that we can start rolling offspec for tank gear that would not be an upgrade for them. It kind of sucks but there isn't much we can do about it besides waiting or spending frost emblems on our offspec :-\

[Marrel]

Frost Emblems are no longer a scarce resourse. You should be able to get plenty.

1 raid weekly from Dal - 5 Frost per week
1 raid weekly in ICC 10 - 5 Frost badges and 2 from the miniboss -7 per week
1 raid weekly in ICC 25- 5 and 2 - 7 per week
2 from random daily - 14 per week
2 from each boss killed from 10 and 25 - calculate your own, i'll assume 5-7 bosses from both 10 and 25, conservatively - 20+/28+ Frost emblems per week

For a very possible 50+ emblems every week. Tier and/or badge gear for 2 specs shouldn't be very difficult. I understand the number could be lower if you only raid 10 or only 25, but the possibilities are there. GL to you, as I am in the reverse situation. Prot main, ret offspec.

To answer your question, full t9 ilvl245 and other ilvl245 gear should bump you close the 5k GS(i know, i dont like it either), and less people would drop you so quickly. All tier 9 takes is triumph badges, snag some trophies and youre good to go. You can certainly tank heroics in your tank gear, and since queues for tanks are instant, you can rack up triumph badges as quickly as you can run the instance.

that is not entirely true, he still can't use his frost emblems for his prot set (and neither can I) because we are saving up for the saronite to make shadow's edge (wich is i think over 500 frost emblems or something), and we both have full ilvl 232 t9 or better, but "snagging a few trophies" is much easier said than done, especially when your guild no longer runs it and you have to try and beat 24 other people's rolls in a pug... it would take a while to do that 4-5 times

[hereticangel]

So glad the guys on lightbringer don't use gs, gs really screw over gearing alts and offspecs

[Hippykong]

Before i start I want to make sure you dont take anything personally in my post, im just inquiring and trying to put some ideas in.

The problem may not be your gear if even your own guild doesnt want to raid with you as a tank. Im wondering if you have tanked any heroics or older raids like naxx/OS/VoA/EoE or anything... do you have any tank experience?

If your not getting raids maybe its because your skill level just isnt there yet, or not up to par with what they expect or can get from someone else.

IF this is the case then your problem is SMALLER then you think. All you need to do is read up a little and then apply what you read to a few practice runs in some heroics or old raids.

IF this is not the case. then im sorry, and maybe you should try to find a new group to raid with

[purusa]

I've kinda hit a wall here and need some help on where to get tank gear. My GS(i get sick everytime i use that term) is at 4750 for my tank and even though i've already shown i don't have any trouble tanking ICC10, that apparently doesn't count for anything and now i can't get into the raid. My guild's 10s are all full, and when i try to make my own groups, people don't want anything to do with my tank. I tried just doing TOC10 for some upgrades, but the same thing happens there.

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The problem may not be your gear if even your own guild doesnt want to raid with you as a tank. Im wondering if you have tanked any heroics or older raids like naxx/OS/VoA/EoE or anything... do you have any tank experience?

As with most players it seems, it's a simple mouse over, or once in raid a quick HP check to deem a tanks worth. I understand the value of HP, and some of us are working on it, I enjoy tanking, but in my current gear is usually equates to me sitting in town to no avail. So my options are quite limited, I can either go Holy, my old spec and roll for offspec loot, or somehow get into a group for totc, which is seldom run. It appears now, that if your not at least a 40k+ unbuffed tank at this point, you've kind of missed the boat. Don't get me wrong, not saying you'll never get a group, but it's definetly a lot harder, and driving me to the point of giving up what i'm currently enjoying to do something else.

[davesurfer]

Would get shield in totc 10 or 25 in your case and trinket can be bought from emblems, If your lucky you will get trinket in totc25 after some weeks aswell.

Yeah PUG ToC 25. It is a one shot pug now, and most tanks have the shield and trinket already. I have them on my alt pally (but can't get the damn trink on main pally)