Unyeilding Faith vs Divine Intellect for Ret

[Rust in Peace]

So what I want to know is this; why do people spec into Unyielding Faith and not just take the extra Int? How many encounters in ICC do you spend feared or disoriented? I can't think of any.

- Maybe the Tactician's sap in the Blood Wing counts? But that usually gets put on a tank.
- Does it reduce the Blood Queen's fear when she goes up into the air?

vs.

- Extra int for off heals on Dreamwalker. Sure it's not much but I did 2k hps with flash of light spam on my art of war procs between waves of trash so I must be doing something right.

[zcks]

Are you serious ? Divine Intellect is useless as ret because even with 5/5 you will only get a couple hundred mana at most, even fully raid buffed. Your much better off spending 3 points in healing light for the extra 12% effect on your flash of light & holy light heals. Sure as ret you are not a main healer but its much more useful in the off chance you need to toss a heal in an oh sh!t moment then that extra 100-400 mana will during the whole raid.

[Nikoll]

Don't spec divine int. Above post is completly correct.

[Adamson]

Increased % intellect is only useful if you have intellect.

Guess what.











Rets are dumb.






(see what I did there?)

[nwo]

Your much better off spending 3 points in healing light for the extra 12% effect on your flash of light & holy light heals.

[Valhuur]

To be honest I do have the tendency to get very very low on mana on many bossfights nowdays, sometimes running out when I have to use a lot of tools outside of the DPS 'rotation'. I picked up a couple of pionts of devine intellect (3 to be exact) to get that little extra buffer, and I really dont see the benefit of getting more healing umph into my flashes compared to keeping the DPS rolling (ret's primary task)

[DaGhostDS]

Are you serious ? Divine Intellect is useless as ret because even with 5/5 you will only get a couple hundred mana at most, even fully raid buffed. Your much better off spending 3 points in healing light for the extra 12% effect on your flash of light & holy light heals. Sure as ret you are not a main healer but its much more useful in the off chance you need to toss a heal in an oh sh!t moment then that extra 100-400 mana will during the whole raid.

250 mana FULLY buffed
flash heal critting for 6k and giving you a sexy HoT is pure win

- Maybe the Tactician's sap in the Blood Wing counts? But that usually gets put on a tank.
- Does it reduce the Blood Queen's fear when she goes up into the air?

yes, Blind/sap count has disorient
and
yes

[Rust in Peace]

I see none of you spec into aura mastery. Any particular reason for that?

It seems as ret right now we are basically stuck with spending points in otherwise useless talents.

Divine Intellect - Very limited to its stat bonus.

Healing light - I throw off heals once in a while, Dreamwalker is the example already mentioned.

Unyielding faith - Extremely limited situational use.

Divine purpose - What stuns are there to break in ICC? Doesn't work on Tear Gas and Doesn't work on green oozes in the Putricide encounter.

I just don't think the cookie cutter 5/7/59 build that was popular for TOC has any place in ICC. At least you could break out of Icehowl's freeze and FC stuns.

The only thing I can see is dropping Pursuit of justice to get aura mastery and Vindication for a perfect ICC build.

Or going Healing light/Unyielding faith and keeping pursuit of justice.

[Soulbender]

i took vindication and some divinity, i feel that atm the last 7 points are essentially aesthetics tbh.

I'm ready to respec back into AM if it's any use (more than once every 4h at best, i mean)

[chimpah]

The reason some ret's spec into it is so they can get to tier 3 of the holy tree to pick up Aura Mastery. Fact.

Mainly if your raid only takes one holy paladin.

[iktankniet]

I went 3/3 Healing Light for Dreamwalker and because I am susceptible to death :X and 2/2 Unyielding Faith for obvious purposes, however rare. Originally I'd gone 5/5 Divine Intellect as I was afraid I'd go oom with 2p, but that's turned out to not be an issue.

think about it...divine int will give you a few 100 mana. does that save you from going oom?

c'mon..keep thinking...

i bet you got it figured out by now, if not then there is no hope for you left my dear friend...

[Styria]

does AM increse the ret tree aura bonuses? (the 3% haste and 3% increased damage) or just the damage/armor/resist/silence portions.

[Rust in Peace]

think about it...divine int will give you a few 100 mana. does that save you from going oom?

c'mon..keep thinking...

i bet you got it figured out by now, if not then there is no hope for you left my dear friend...

its a lot more than 100 mana fully raid buffed...

and although small it does increase spell damage of things like consecrate.

either way its a passive buff that is doing SOMETHING 100% of the time versus the other choices which do nothing to help you in most encounters.

i've already noticed some of the other ret's in the top guilds on my server starting to switch over to the spec ive been using for a while now with 5/5 divine intellect.

does AM increse the ret tree aura bonuses? (the 3% haste and 3% increased damage) or just the damage/armor/resist/silence portions.

just the base aura ability not the abilities you talent into.

[nwo]

does AM increse the ret tree aura bonuses? (the 3% haste and 3% increased damage) or just the damage/armor/resist/silence portions.

no it does not increase any of the talented bonuses like haste, increased damage, or extra healing. it only increases the "stock" or untalented bonuses of the auras which are: armor, damage on hit, resistances, pushback, and mount speed increase.

[darkwarrior42]

its a lot more than 100 mana fully raid buffed...

and although small it does increase spell damage of things like consecrate.

either way its a passive buff that is doing SOMETHING 100% of the time versus the other choices which do nothing to help you in most encounters.

i've already noticed some of the other ret's in the top guilds on my server starting to switch over to the spec ive been using for a while now with 5/5 divine intellect.

just the base aura ability not the abilities you talent into.

first off, he said "a few 100", not "100" mana.

Second off, I would like for you to explain how a ret pally gets spell power from intellect.

[darkwarrior42]

He was probably referring to the tiny amount of spell crit intellect grants.

I thought that at first too, but he specifically refers to consecrate, which is incapable of crits ?.?

[Rust in Peace]

Spell dmg, spell crit, I meant a small damage increase and I made a mistake using consecrate as an example. Never said spell power.

In any case this thread has pretty much served its purpose seeing as how no one can really argue with or against what to use.

[conqq]

Does no one raid with crusade tanks anymore? the debuff should be kept up by them for the AP reduct & increased crit

[Rust in Peace]

Does no one raid with crusade tanks anymore? the debuff should be kept up by them for the AP reduct & increased crit

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...2u84Ejb,,11403

That's what I tank with.

[zcks]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...2u84Ejb,,11403

That's what I tank with.

Why in the name of whatever deity you believe in would you get 3/5 in reckoning but skip over divine sacrifice & divine guardian, sure it might be a slight threat buff but we dont need extra threat & ds/dg is godly no mater where you are.