Gemming hit for Crit Cap = DPS loss?

[nazrakin]

So I upgraded to my 4pt10 this morning, and rawr is telling me I'm ~1% over the crit cap. However, playing around with hit gems to raise the cap is causing Enhsim to report a DPS loss.

Is anyone else experiencing similar results from gemming hit for crit?

1% Over crit cap:

EnhSim version 1.9.7.0

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MH:
miss        299796     9.74%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      739714     24.04%
hit         112617     3.66%
crit        1925360    62.56%
average ap     8874.15
clip        0       0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits     14.75%
procs/swings    13.47%
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         320476     34.45%
crit        609826     65.55%
average ap     8876.00

MH Storsmtrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         130272     34.60%
crit        246225     65.40%
average ap     8855.38

OH:
miss        298996     9.72%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      740526     24.06%
hit         112477     3.65%
crit        1925490    62.57%
average ap     8896.98
clip        0       0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1864685    53.27%
crit        1635602    46.73%
average sp     3291.23

OH Stormstrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         130065     34.55%
crit        246432     65.45%
average ap     8907.34

Earth Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         155321     53.35%
crit        135822     46.65%
average sp     3275.21

Flame Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         84726     53.28%
crit        74288     46.72%
average sp     3283.14
dots hit      930334     100.00%
dots crit      0       0.00%
average dot sp   3283.39

Lava Lash:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         118724     34.38%
crit        226573     65.62%
average ap     8840.76

Lightning Bolt:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         306881     53.18%
crit        270126     46.82%
average sp     3317.53

Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         209289     53.31%
crit        183310     46.69%
average sp     3274.85

Lightning Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         514932     100.00%
crit        0       0.00%
average sp     3294.48

Spirit Wolves:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      401636     24.02%
hit         1078322    64.49%
crit        192238     11.50%
average ap     8940.32

Magma Totem:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         629197     53.23%
crit        552898     46.77%
average sp     3284.53

Fire Elemental Melee:
miss        21891     7.97%
dodge        11671     4.25%
glancing      65969     24.03%
hit         166754     60.73%
crit        8275      3.01%

Fire Elemental Fire Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         311904     91.96%
crit        27257     8.04%

Fire Elemental Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         126277     91.98%
crit        11003     8.02%

Fire Elemental Fire Blast:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         130450     92.10%
crit        11184     7.90%

Fire Elemental stats:
average ap     9193.12
average sp     3520.71
MPS         65.57
MPCooldown     7868.06
Out of mana time  0.00%
MRPCooldown     2819.20
MRPS        23.60

Fire Elemental   MRPS without overregen
mana regen     3.31   14.08%
judgement of wisdom 20.18   85.92%


Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM         54.74
efficiency     87.84%

flurry uptime         95.82%
unleashed rage uptime     100.00%
elemental devastation uptime  90.78%
mh enchant uptime       52.69%
oh enchant uptime       47.42%
stormstrike debuff uptime   84.64%
flame shock uptime       77.81%
lightning shield uptime    95.47%
magma totem uptime       64.65%
fire elemental uptime     28.60%

trinket1 uptime        32.43%
racial uptime         14.09%
totem uptime          99.92%
ring proc uptime        16.57%


Set bonus uptimes:
Frost Witch's Battlegear 2 piece    7.54%
Frost Witch's Battlegear 4 piece    22.61%

          MRPS without overregen
mana regen     0.00   0.00%
mp5         18.09   7.44%
replenishment    42.13   17.32%
unrelenting storm  0.00   0.00%
judgement of wisdom 109.29  44.92%
shamanistic rage  73.77   30.32%
mana potion     0.00   0.00%
misc        0.00   0.00%
stormstrike     0.00   0.00%

          DPS         PPM    MPS
white        3346.36  33.84%  102.58
windfury      1174.89  11.88%  7.75
flametongue     844.31  8.54%   58.34
stormstrike     464.09  4.69%   6.27   34.57   13.05%
lava lash      307.34  3.11%   5.75   15.85   5.98%
magma totem     456.92  4.62%   2.11   39.29   14.83%
earth shock     395.83  4%    4.85   31.36   11.84%
flame shock     241.10  2.44%   2.65   16.17   6.11%
lightning bolt   1138.53  11.51%  9.62   70.46   26.60%
fire nova      389.07  3.93%   6.54   51.68   19.51%
lightning shield  294.95  2.98%   1.11   0.00   0.00%
spirit wolves    380.66  3.85%   0.40   3.27   1.23%
fire elemental   454.53  4.6%   0.14   2.27   0.86%
 melee       252.41  55.53%  4.58
 fire shield    16.02   3.52%   5.65
 fire nova     119.67  26.33%  2.29
 fire blast    66.43   14.62%  2.36

DPS         9888.59
MPS         264.92
MP2min       31790.18
MRPS        249.98
Out of mana time  0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 4.66s
simulation speed: 771869x

Here I traded 20AP and 20Haste for 30hit (and the 1% crit):

EnhSim version 1.9.7.0

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MH:
miss        269230     8.80%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      734108     24.00%
hit         140369     4.59%
crit        1915305    62.61%
average ap     8886.52
clip        0       0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits     14.70%
procs/swings    13.54%
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         320595     34.46%
crit        609805     65.54%
average ap     8881.31

MH Storsmtrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         129137     34.39%
crit        246366     65.61%
average ap     8828.75

OH:
miss        268485     8.78%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      733514     23.98%
hit         140593     4.60%
crit        1916420    62.65%
average ap     8858.72
clip        0       0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         1870790    53.30%
crit        1639377    46.70%
average sp     3280.85

OH Stormstrike:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         129068     34.37%
crit        246435     65.63%
average ap     8883.04

Earth Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         155129     53.44%
crit        135151     46.56%
average sp     3267.48

Flame Shock:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         84641     53.05%
crit        74916     46.95%
average sp     3276.01
dots hit      933342     100.00%
dots crit      0       0.00%
average dot sp   3276.42

Lava Lash:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
hit         117805     34.23%
crit        226332     65.77%
average ap     8814.66

Lightning Bolt:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         306168     53.26%
crit        268731     46.74%
average sp     3310.84

Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         208150     53.19%
crit        183199     46.81%
average sp     3267.39

Lightning Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         516660     100.00%
crit        0       0.00%
average sp     3289.53

Spirit Wolves:
miss        0       0.00%
dodge        0       0.00%
glancing      400232     23.93%
hit         1079916    64.57%
crit        192246     11.50%
average ap     8916.15

Magma Totem:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         631012     53.37%
crit        551212     46.63%
average sp     3277.15

Fire Elemental Melee:
miss        21870     7.97%
dodge        11848     4.32%
glancing      66033     24.07%
hit         166409     60.66%
crit        8193      2.99%

Fire Elemental Fire Shield:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         311997     91.97%
crit        27242     8.03%

Fire Elemental Fire Nova:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         126313     92.08%
crit        10863     7.92%

Fire Elemental Fire Blast:
miss        0       0.00%
hit         130144     92.01%
crit        11308     7.99%

Fire Elemental stats:
average ap     9162.38
average sp     3511.14
MPS         65.55
MPCooldown     7865.20
Out of mana time  0.00%
MRPCooldown     2817.59
MRPS        23.59

Fire Elemental   MRPS without overregen
mana regen     3.31   14.09%
judgement of wisdom 20.17   85.91%


Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM         54.90
efficiency     87.27%

flurry uptime         96.75%
unleashed rage uptime     100.00%
elemental devastation uptime  90.77%
mh enchant uptime       52.66%
oh enchant uptime       47.58%
stormstrike debuff uptime   84.53%
flame shock uptime       78.06%
lightning shield uptime    95.43%
magma totem uptime       64.61%
fire elemental uptime     28.58%

trinket1 uptime        32.42%
racial uptime         14.12%
totem uptime          99.92%
ring proc uptime        16.50%


Set bonus uptimes:
Frost Witch's Battlegear 2 piece    7.47%
Frost Witch's Battlegear 4 piece    22.45%

          MRPS without overregen
mana regen     0.00   0.00%
mp5         18.09   7.45%
replenishment    42.12   17.34%
unrelenting storm  0.00   0.00%
judgement of wisdom 109.43  45.04%
shamanistic rage  73.30   30.17%
mana potion     0.00   0.00%
misc        0.00   0.00%
stormstrike     0.00   0.00%

          DPS         PPM    MPS
white        3347.47  33.9%   101.97
windfury      1175.30  11.9%   7.75
flametongue     844.77  8.55%   58.50
stormstrike     462.38  4.68%   6.26   34.48   13.05%
lava lash      305.90  3.1%   5.74   15.80   5.98%
magma totem     455.97  4.62%   2.11   39.21   14.84%
earth shock     393.77  3.99%   4.84   31.26   11.83%
flame shock     241.67  2.45%   2.66   16.23   6.14%
lightning bolt   1131.45  11.46%  9.58   70.20   26.57%
fire nova      387.78  3.93%   6.52   51.52   19.50%
lightning shield  295.55  2.99%   1.11   0.00   0.00%
spirit wolves    380.16  3.85%   0.40   3.27   1.24%
fire elemental   452.80  4.59%   0.14   2.26   0.86%
 melee       251.19  55.48%  4.57
 fire shield    16.00   3.53%   5.65
 fire nova     119.31  26.35%  2.29
 fire blast    66.29   14.64%  2.36

DPS         9874.97
MPS         264.24
MP2min       31708.74
MRPS        249.77
Out of mana time  0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 4.77s
simulation speed: 755191x

[Fornaw]

It's called elemental devastation, your melee crit chance is not fixed. You are only over the crit cap some of the time which is why Enhsim reports 3.66% white hits. It makes a certain amount of sense that a stat which is best some of the time and not best some of the time might be weaker than a more consistent stat. If you go to 4 piece sanctified or even 4 piece sanctified heroic your crit chance will go even farther over the cap, hit will be an important stat more often and you will most likely find 1 or 2 hit gems will boost your dps.

Also your output is basically meaningless unless we know the gear behind it, you could be wearing Death's Choice, which screws a lot of estimations up.

[heartlarva]

It is best to gem enough hit to not be over the soft crit cap based on my maximum possible crit, or average crit? I don't have any agi proc trinkets. My thinking was maximum possible crit so that crit is never a wasted stat...