Did Ghostcrawler just call us...?

[Ultima]

It's not about HPS, it shouldn't be at least, but that is the easiest and most common tool used when assessing healing, though that doesn't mean it's the best.

I don't mean to give the impession of HPS being the only thing that matters (did I?). You shouldn't need to check the meters if a fight goes smoothly and there were little to no deaths and Ardent Defender didn't proc etc. However, if there are healing difficulties, it's nice to check a healing meter and wonder why player X is doing a third of the healing as player Z.

[Wild Turkey]

You read too much over the blue statements. Let's not start another QQ shitstorm and in the end a promise for a pony...or a moose.

[Ultima]

I think this discussion has moved away from the original topic, a good thing though in this case

[Drizel]

Holy Priests certainly are the lowest of the lowest when it comes to HPS output. That being said, we are the only class that can heal 6 people for a good chunk the very second they drop, no other class has that ability. Is our HPS as high as say a Resto Druid's or Shamans? No, but can the Resto Druid or Shaman instantly raid heal/bomb PoH's on 5 people constantly? Nope.

Holy Priests have their place in the raid, always will. Plus we bring the GS.

Either way, Disc Priest for life.

[Ultima]

we are the only class that can heal 6 people for a good chunk the very second they drop

Only every 6 seconds!

[Saethwyr]

I am considered the best healer in my guild, and I'm rarely top on the meter. I'm considered a good healer cause IF i die or DC (something that happens a lot more often then dying) its usually a wipe after 10 secs of me being dead/DCed. I tend to keep people alive and not spam. The sad part: its not noticeable on the meters. Why do i care? i personally don't but from time to time i would like to see myself on the top, for my personal epeen?

I guess its good that your guild know you are the best even though you don't top the meters, it shows that they care more about completing the raid than people topping the HPS/DPS charts, and they understand that sometimes damage mitigation is better than healing people for damage lost.

disc priests do a lot more than just heal people, I've noticed that whenever i have one in my raid i take a lot less damage than without one. this helps out all the other healers too because they use less mana keeping everyone up (not that mana usage is a problem atm).

Even though they may not top the meters when we have a disc in our raid i sure as hell notice that i'm healed a lot less

i mean that in a good way lol ^^ not that priests are lazy

[SeriousTroll]

I was actually the player in the original thread to ask him about his renew spamming.

I did think it was really nice that he was laying out his exact play style but at the same time his response to my question was something along the lines of "well i don't know why I spam renew mainly I'm just comfortable playing a Druid." definitely weirded me out a bit.

It's like he was saying whatever I'm much more comfortable playing a Druid to have spent the time looking into the real effectiveness of spells from another healing class. I'm just doing what feels comfortable to me as a Druid at heart.

Were all allowed to have our favorites I just think it would be wise for developers to hide their cards a little better.

[Seebach]

Did Ghostcrawler just call priests a class played by bad players?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...No=7&sid=1#122

To be honest, his answers in that thread surprised me and not in a good way... He also says somewhere that he plays resto druid alot, and that raid healing as Holy is supposed to be: CoH and PoM on cooldown, spam renew, period!

He also called mages bad characters in the same breath it appears.

[Minia]

I'd imagine he was one of the mods that QQ'ed about to give resto druids all the extra armor. Cute.

Our resto druid plays his druid, never dead. Plays his priest, always eating floor. Perhaps we just need more survivability? Disc ftw..

[Worshaka]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Holy Priests are useless (I don't think I said that, I hope not). We have our places, but you know people look to the meters when something is wrong, I've just left a guild where I can hit the top meters as Holy and leave a Druid and Shaman behind by as much as 400k healing (usually 200k) in a fight, BQl/Festergut will be my examples. My healing plummets when there is no heavy damage, our niche, and I become bored and useless and might as well Smite spam (which sucks since I don't have Divine Fury in the Holy spec!).

So, the Paladin takes the tanks, the Druid covers the raid in HoTs and becomes God Mode on light damage and the Shaman kings the melee and keeps 'Inspiration' on the tank through Chain Heal hitting them and the melee. In light damage fights, we don't really fit in that scheme. Which is why Disc is/was my main spec, we can take the Druid's role in that type of fight.

I love healing heavy raid damage as Holy, I changed to Disc in ToC content due to lack of it (or pretty much) compared to Ulduar.

I also suggest you are refering to normal mode encounters... obviously once normal mode gets on farm you have the option to bring less healers and more DPS... i'd find it strange if at least 2 of your healers didnt have some form of DPS OS... good time to utilise it.

When you get to heroic mode and you think that healing is just as redundant then the problem is the encounters are broken, not the class mechanics... I've yet to see anyone say that heroic encounters are push overs when attempted with appropriate gear.

[Powerlamer]

in my opinion the priest class is "fine", the only problem is this (quote from blizzard forum)

When I was talking about mana issues I was referring to a priest trying to put out the raw healing of other classes. When it comes to raw output (max throughput) priests are behind, and If we try and push our max HPS we can't sustain it for as long as others can sustain their max HPS. No it's not game breaking, but it's very noticeable on hard fights that require you to spam everything you have.

Ex
Yesterday at festergut 25 i manage to do 7420 hps at the start of the fight... but only for like 20 seconds, than my hps dropped to 5200 - 4800 . My mate druid start the fight at 6120 hps and finished the fight at 6130 hps.
That is the only point i dont like about the priest atm.

[G l o w y r m]

He didnt call most priest bad players,

he just said that a priest has to focus on his job to do it propperly, as a holy paladin can just keep his mouse random no his grid and atleast keep the tank up. a priest is the reactive healer that focusses on grid and heal the people that drop. (holy atleast disc would be a preactive healer)

Pretty much this. Priests definitely have to stare at grid more than other healers.

Depending on the amount of damage, we have more tools to think about using and who to use them on. So we're targeting one person for a Renew, another for a PoM, another for CoH, etc...Pallies can just spam people and beacon gives them time to look up, Druids are throwing HoTs around so they have time to look up...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Holy Priests are useless (I don't think I said that, I hope not). We have our places, but you know people look to the meters when something is wrong, I've just left a guild where I can hit the top meters as Holy and leave a Druid and Shaman behind by as much as 400k healing (usually 200k) in a fight, BQl/Festergut will be my examples. My healing plummets when there is no heavy damage, our niche, and I become bored and useless and might as well Smite spam (which sucks since I don't have Divine Fury in the Holy spec!).

Yeah, but this isn't a problem, we have our niche like you said, be proud of it and perform in it well. It would be bad if we actually were "useless" when there is no raid damage but that's not 100% true. Rolling PoM and Renew on the tank is still a huge help if nothing else is really going on.

[Kimbur]

I don't use healbot 8)

[Azyoulike]

Being able to fill in either role in "light" form does make us a lot more flexible than other healer specs, though. Could it be that Blizzard has that in mind for Holy Priests? Being highly adaptable to the situation as it develops? Able to fill in for "Druid Light" and "Paladin Light" as needed? Decent at both, master of neither?

If you think that holy priests can substitute for paladins better than druids can or shaman then you've not played those classes. Nourish spam is the only single target healing in the game that approaches HL spam. Tidal-waved HW & LHW spam both beat holy priest tank heals.

We can't even really cover for pallys by respeccing disc. This idea was true in tbc, it's not true in wrath.

[Deleted]

The OP reminds me to another Quote of GC:

"GC said hunters are dumb!"

He quoted himself, after he told, that intellect is replaced by focus in cataclysm.

GC did not say anything about priests being bad players. He said, that he thinks that priests are playing very concentrated by watching the lift of the players, nothing else.