rightous fury

[Travers]

i read the blue post and saw that RF will make paladins uncritable
will that be a talent in the prot tree or just attached to the spell..
was kinda wondering about this ???

[Riek]

i read the blue post and saw that RF will make paladins uncritable
will that be a talent in the prot tree or just attached to the spell..
was kinda wondering about this ???

Nobody will know until GC posts about it spcifically or cata is released

[Athael]

It won't make you uncrittable, you read it incorrectly.

It will make you uncrittable by mobs in five-mans (I.e., lowering your chance to be crit by 6%). It will be folded into a baseline ability of the class, not anything you have to spec for - They said that they want more ret paladins, arms warriors and kitty druids to be able to switch to RF+shield/defensive stance+shield/bear form and be able to tank heroics in Cataclysm without having to spec and gear for it.

Kind of like the templar in Aion, if you need a point of reference.

[Nightfallonearth]

It's just going to be the 6% that bosses can crit, or whatever % it is, most likely attached to a deep prot talent. Can't imagine them putting it globally unless there some penalty to stop Ret/holy pallies using it in pvp.

[Kraven Moorehead]

It won't make you uncrittable, you read it incorrectly.

It will make you uncrittable by mobs in five-mans (I.e., lowering your chance to be crit by 6%). It will be folded into a baseline ability of the class, not anything you have to spec for - They said that they want more ret paladins, arms warriors and kitty druids to be able to switch to RF+shield/defensive stance+shield/bear form and be able to tank heroics in Cataclysm without having to spec and gear for it.

Kind of like the templar in Aion, if you need a point of reference.

o god... so those idiots are gonna actually be able to tank? LOLOLOLOLOLOL FROST PRESENCE = TANK LOLOLOLOL!

[Athael]

o god... so those idiots are gonna actually be able to tank? LOLOLOLOLOLOL FROST PRESENCE = TANK LOLOLOLOL!

Yes, anyone with a shield and a tanking class will be able to tank heroics, regardless of their level of intelligence.

I think it's a good thing. It'll lower the tank queue times, as well as save groups from wiping if the official designated tank dies or drops - the ret pally can just pull out a sword-and-board and finish it up.

[MrWiggles]

Cataclysm Stat & System Changes
[blizzquote="Eyonix;http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23425636414-cataclysm-stat--system-changes.html"]

Defense - Defense is being removed from the game entirely. Tanking classes should expect to become uncrittable versus creatures just by shifting into Defensive Stance, Frost Presence, Bear Form, or by using Righteous Fury.

Verse creatures, won't effect PVP.

[zcks]

As was pointed out before it will be a base effect folded into the spell so that ret paladins can tank 5 mans, they are doing it for bears, DK's & warriors as well.

As for rets being able to use it in pvp it will probably be changed to lower your damage output by a small amount to bring it in line with defensive stance & frost presence.

I just hope they give ret some more offensive utility though because all they have is burst atm & that will become useless in cataclysm since they are increasing every ones health allot but not increasing burst.

[Tharidon]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a horrible horrible horrible idea?

[Adamson]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a horrible horrible horrible idea?

There's a significant group of over worried bad players out there.

You should make a club.

[Tharidon]

There's a significant group of over worried bad players out there.

You should make a club.

Its not even that, tanking isnt hard.... in heroics anyway.

But still you roll a class to do a specific job, so why does it make sense you can pop a buff on and do a different specs job, as a prot pally I cant put on blessing of might and pull numbers, so why should it work the other way around?

Personal speculation.

[Surfd]

Yay, more idiotic paladin healers in raids running Rightious fury cause "i want crit protection if i get healing aggro"

[Kairu]

Its not even that, tanking isnt hard.... in heroics anyway.

But still you roll a class to do a specific job, so why does it make sense you can pop a buff on and do a different specs job, as a prot pally I cant put on blessing of might and pull numbers, so why should it work the other way around?

Personal speculation.

Nobody said it was doing it EFFECTIVELY on the spot like that, a prot is obviously more desirable, and a ret won't be tanking a raid.

But like we have right now, people just tanking as ret for heroics, they like that.

Yay, more idiotic paladin healers in raids running Rightious fury cause "i want crit protection if i get healing aggro"

If that threat is causing you worry, youre DOING IT WRONG. 6% reduced damage can help significantly on many fights.

[Corathor]

They said in a previous blue post they expected that a ret pally or arms warrior, fury warrior etc might be able to tank normals or even starter heroics.. but in later heroics and raids it probably would not be heard of (untill ofcourse gear levels just completely surpass the content)

[Aureoloss]

Verse creatures, won't effect PVP.

That's because players have more than 6% crit chance genius

[Xenonfire]

fury warrior with two handed sword and a shield lol

[Kairu]

That's because players have more than 6% crit chance genius

Players aren't creatures, genius.

[Ugrana]

Yeah, if you look at the Resilience changes, they are also making it only effect Player damage/crit. Opposite thing with the Crit reduction. It will only apply to creatures.

[Raidenx]

That's because players have more than 6% crit chance genius

[Deleted]

That's because players have more than 6% crit chance genius

Thats beacuse blizzard will make it that way!