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[bigfoot1291]

A lot of people misread the blue post. They said that plate would be able to throw on a shield and tank for 5 mans, meaning regular.

Not heroics.

[blargh312]

A lot of people misread the blue post. They said that plate would be able to throw on a shield and tank for 5 mans, meaning regular.

Not heroics.

So heroics aren't done with 5 players now?

[bigfoot1291]

So heroics aren't done with 5 players now?

It's just the way it was worded it was made fairly clear that they wern't talking about heroics, just regular instances.

[gingerlemon]

So heroics aren't done with 5 players now?

Are not the difficulties named:

5 player
5 player (heroic)

Maybe I remember wrong..

[Appelcalypse]

Isn't it a Facefist? :/

On topic:

I'm impressed about how many people can see into the future. The expansion is still miles away.
Just because this information is released now doesn't mean it's how it's going to be.

[blargh312]

It's just the way it was worded it was made fairly clear that they wern't talking about heroics, just regular instances.

"Ideally an Arms warrior should be able to go Defensive Stance and grab a shield to tank a 5-player dungeon (though not a raid)."

Specifically says raids are out, but nothing about heroics. Methinks they'd probably add "or heroics" to the parenthetical statement if they didn't want them to tank heroics.

But like the guy up there said, Cataclysm is a long way away. These comments don't mean jack shit until we see how this stuff actually works in-game.

[Quehn]

Players aren't creatures, genius.

No, but the current bear crit-immunity affects pvp genius

[Ivresse]

No, but the current bear crit-immunity affects pvp genius

Emphasis on 'current', genius...

[Halabash]

"Ideally an Arms warrior should be able to go Defensive Stance and grab a shield to tank a 5-player dungeon (though not a raid)."

Specifically says raids are out, but nothing about heroics. Methinks they'd probably add "or heroics" to the parenthetical statement if they didn't want them to tank heroics.

But like the guy up there said, Cataclysm is a long way away. These comments don't mean jack shit until we see how this stuff actually works in-game.

QFT

Blizz wants lower ques for dungeon finder because dungeon finder is helping all the players get an opportunity to join in the fun of 5 mans, which consequently is critical to help develop a pve community where players can organize into highly coordinated raids and conquer difficult encounters. More tanks=more fun, simple as that and yes at some point each player that plays this game SHOULD learn and know how to tank a 5 man at a very high level of competency. Hell everyone's 1st toon should be automatically be a tanking class IMO!!!!!

[Arcdragon]

"Ideally an Arms warrior should be able to go Defensive Stance and grab a shield to tank a 5-player dungeon (though not a raid)."

Specifically says raids are out, but nothing about heroics. Methinks they'd probably add "or heroics" to the parenthetical statement if they didn't want them to tank heroics.

But like the guy up there said, Cataclysm is a long way away. These comments don't mean jack shit until we see how this stuff actually works in-game.

You can tank normal 5 mans with a hunter pet. Or a rogue.

Heroics will still call for a normal tank specced tank with tank gear. Why? Have you ever tried healing a retadin or dps dk in tank gear, in heroic 5 mans? If you are not overgeared for the instance, the difference becomes noticeable.

[Stieger23]

Isn't it a Facefist? :/

On topic:

I'm impressed about how many people can see into the future. The expansion is still miles away.
Just because this information is released now doesn't mean it's how it's going to be.

Totally correct.

This is fistpalm:

[blargh312]

Heroics will still call for a normal tank specced tank with tank gear. Why? Have you ever tried healing a retadin or dps dk in tank gear, in heroic 5 mans? If you are not overgeared for the instance, the difference becomes noticeable.

Yeah, because things will obviously work the exact same way in Cataclysm as they do now.

[ianuus]

Its not even that, tanking isnt hard.... in heroics anyway.

But still you roll a class to do a specific job, so why does it make sense you can pop a buff on and do a different specs job, as a prot pally I cant put on blessing of might and pull numbers, so why should it work the other way around?

Personal speculation.

Prot paladins do more than enough DPS to be a viable DPS spot in heroics.

[Mindipedia]

Yes, anyone with a shield and a tanking class will be able to tank heroics, regardless of their level of intelligence.

I think it's a good thing. It'll lower the tank queue times, as well as save groups from wiping if the official designated tank dies or drops - the ret pally can just pull out a sword-and-board and finish it up.

I think you meant 'lower the queue times', tank queue times atm are pretty much instant as it is. So if it does anything to 'tank' queues, it'll make them larger.

[Nikoll]

it isnt going to change tank que times at all. what it will likely do is let people like me spec ret/holy and just have tank gear. though, i suppose i could do that now and tank ret. w/e

its going to change notheing but leveling i guess. because seriously, if paladin leveling wasnt already super easy, now lets make them uncritable to boot.

[MestHoop]

TBH I think plate DPS classes will be able to tank 5 man normals only. You still need a proper tank for heroics.
As content gets released and the overall level of gear increases, plate DPS classes will also be able to tank heroics.

The newly dinged plate DPS will try to tank heroics and likely get carried by the healer. If the healer is freshly dinged as well, the party fails

[Athael]

Regular nonheroics 5 mans are ALREADY difficulty-scaled so that people with DPS specs/gear can tank them.

...That's already the way it is. When they were developing WOTLK, they said they wanted DKs and ret paladins and such to be able to tank levelling 5 mans, and that the difficulty was set so that would be possible.

They're obviously talking about heroics with this new change, because otherwise, it would be redundant - nonheroic 5 mans are already designed so that a defense-uncapped DPSer in plate can tank them. I do it all the time when leveling alts, and my survivability is, proportionately, about the same as that of my tankadin in a heroic.

As for the "Tank queue times" snafu - I meant overall queue times. It was a slip of the tongue, do you really need to microfocus on semantics? My post as a whole is still a valid point.

[Deleted]

i read the blue post and saw that RF will make paladins uncritable
will that be a talent in the prot tree or just attached to the spell..
was kinda wondering about this ???

Sice they also said some time ago that as a furry warr you can just put a sheild go def stance and tank, i guess for all the classes would be just using the def stance/bear form/RF/Frost presence makes you uncritable in pve :P

[Needonboots]

I don't care, I'm the one doing the tanking so I don't have to worry about bads trying to tank.

[Aedh]

I'm going ret/holy when Cata goes live. The only reason I still have a prot spec is to tank the weekly raid.